Lots of non paying buyers lately, cant give bad feedback

[phantomchris1984]

I came back to ebay about late august this year to start selling again to clear out my room of the piles of games, movies i never play or watch often. I have sold on ebay before and it has been fine with no troubles.

Now that im back selling again I have noticed some people bidding and winning and then simply not paying. since august i have had 6 non payments, possibly 7, waiting to see if the buyer responds yet or had possibly died of a heart attack at their computer screen, unclear yet.

What is going on. In all my many years of selling i have only had about one non payment. Now im back selling and i have seven in about four months.

These people not paying just simply dont respond, checking their feedback other sellers leave feedback saying they have no payment or response either.

What makes it difficult is that i cant give bad feedback like i could before. All these non payers have all this positive feedback with comments saying they have not payed.

I feel like this is some sort of scam.

Did ebay do this to not scare away customer by having bad feedback. whats the deal. Does ebay ever get rid of these ebayers that occasionally buy but mostly dont pay to get more positive feedback. I doubt ebay would get rid of customer even if they do not pay some times, they want the fees.

I have opened unpaid cases for all these items, wasting my time because the buyers have nothing to fear anymore because there is no bad feedback anymore.

Anyone else notice an increase of non payments recently?.

[digital*ghost]

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@gec2002 wrote:

.  In eBay USA you can now open an unpaid item case after two days (although buyer still has 4 days to pay), that needs to be introduced ASAP into Australia. 

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You know what I wish...? I wish it was the other way around. Keep the time before being able to open a UPI at 4 days, or whatever, but I wish that it wasn't a prolonged "dispute" process at all. On another site, which functions similarly to eBay in that buyers can confirm purchases but never pay for them, the minimum time to wait for payment before anything can be done is 3 days, but after that it's simply a matter of marking the item as unpaid  - and that's the end of it (the buyer immediately gets an automated neg which says "no payment received from buyer after X days", and the seller's FVF are immediately credited back - no waiting around for someone that's already made a seller wait around and giving them that extra 4+ day chance to pay).

I'm not advocating negs for buyers, but as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to be obliged to keep an item available for someone who buys then doesn't pay or communicate in the 7 days I allow for payment, for another 4 days. IMHO It should just be, the buyer didn't pay in the allocated time-frame so they lost their chance, end-of. 

[thecatspjs]

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springyzone wrote:

When there is a non payer dispute put in against a buyer and ebay finds in favour of the seller, then I can't see why the buyer doesn't automatically  have one point deducted from their total 'score'.

Even without written  feedback, that would mean that serial non payers would end up with very low scores, maybe even negative scores.

That would make it a lot easier for sellers to block those sorts of bidders.

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Think that is an idea that has definite merit !!

[thecatspjs]

Feedback left has to be sufficiently negative to warrant removal

The serial non-payers who are the ones who have violated ebay policy in the first place don't seem to give a hoot about feedback left for them anyway. 

I don't see a non-paying buyer that has wasted my time and my money and removed my stock from view for other customers for at least 8 days as a proper "customer" anyway, they are pests.  

[Anonymous]

"One of the reason that 'no negative for buyer' policy stayed is probably because sellers can't show a little control and keep things to themselves, or that Ebay just don't bother with another major revision to feedback policy."

No, its because its a nice little earner for ebay.  But how can that be its only  5cents, 20 cents or $1.50 that you have lost in listing fees.  Yeah but it having happening millions of times on a worldwide basis netting eBay millions of dollars.  eBay have no incentive to in any way shape or form to limit buyers, by allowing negative back or or actually make strikes mean something.

As for the "Do not ever leave false positives, that violates feedback policy"  guess what not only does Not Paying break eBay Buyer policy it breaks real world Contract Law.  But by all means report the seller for venting their frustration and do nothing about the buyer. 

[popculturetragic]

Its the non payers who outbid others that really irk me...and the absolute rudeness of not even replying to an offer of cancellation. This at least allows you to offer it to the last person they outbid. NPB's are ruining ebay for everyone.

[viewmont1071]

Buyers and sellers are retail "labels" and the use in the context of feedback I believe is divisive

........... A true community has members.

For the ebay community  feedback system  to work  I believe ebay needs to address members concerns

.... not the concerns of buyers or sellers as separate groups.

It comes right back to the point that was originally made when negative feedback privileges were revoked for all members in that

I can be trusted to leave appropriate feedback when I have my buyers hat on however within the blink of an eye when I don my

sellers hat I became untrustworthy...... 

............. at that point being a member, both buyer and seller, I lost a little trust in ebay and its policies ( partly in retaliation because ebay

through it's actions to not allow me to leave negative feedback in certain situations on others members feedback whether buyer or seller

silently signalled to me

"I do not trust you in all situations to be objective" 

[musicrockgoddess]

omg your post just rings too true..

i have the same come back to ebay as sick of gumtree and marketplace no shows.. 

i find postage is more reasonable than before BUT the amount of non payers is rediculous.. i have blocked 8 in the last 3 weeks ..

maybe we should list who is abuser of this so we can all block ..

just time wasters x

[davewil1964]

@musicrockgoddess.

1. This thread hasn't had a post in SIX YEARS.

2. Naming and shaming on the boards is forbidden, so those bits of your post (if not the whole thing) will be deleted by the moderators. Making it pretty pointless to drag the thread up in the first place

[countessalmirena]

The eBay member to whom you are replying has not posted on this thread for more than 6 (SIX) years. ( ‎17-12-2012 is the date of the OP's post.)

The last post on this thread was  six years ago, on 08-08-2013.

Posting on such an old thread, particularly when there are many more recent threads that are also about non-paying bidders, is probably not a wonderful idea.

Additionally, it does seem, musicrockgoddess, that you haven't read the forum guidelines...? One of the rules under which these Community Boards function is that we do not post comments about other users - which has been clarified by the actions of the moderators (from Lithium, the company running these boards, as outsourced by eBay) to mean negative comments about or a listing of other eBay users if the usernames are included.

There are various reasons for this. One is that eBay don't want to risk being seen to allow libel to stand; another is that it's all too common that posters get the username slightly wrong which affects innocent users. Also possible is the misuse of such posts in pursuit of personal vendettas. At any rate, I quote:

❝ Not allowed

• Here are some examples of content or actions that aren't permitted in the community content areas (Reviews, Guides, member-created products or product descriptions and comments). These examples provide guidance for self-publishing content on our site but shouldn't be viewed as a complete list.

  • Promoting or advertising to buy, sell or trade any product or service listed or located outside of any eBay property (eBay, Half.com, eBay Stores, etc.).
  • Placing published content or products in the wrong category (miscategorisation).
  • Including feedback or comments about other users. (BOLDING MINE)❞
    

- Community content policy

Also see Community Rules of Engagement.

A moderator will no doubt be along at some point to remove that list of names from your post.

If you'd like to engage with the boards here, you can start a new thread by clicking onto the grey button at the top (left) of the Selling board (for example) which says New Message. You should also see the most recent threads, many of which have fantastic and helpful information as well as different views, different experiences, and some strong exchanges of opinion.

(Direct link to start a new thread on the Selling board: click here.)

EDIT: Davewil beat me to it.

[collect247]

I'll say it again lol.

OK this might be a silly request but hey MODS BLOCK OLD THREADS C'MON SERIOUSLY WHY DO YOU PUT US THROUGH THIS **bleep**!!