buyer failed to return item in 5 business days plus returned a damaged item

I sold an item to a buyer in Australia; the item was a brand new sealed Gigabyte motherboard, very expensive, around AU$ 1960.

Buyer received that on 1st of April.

On 21 of May he opened a return request dor item does not working (short circuit which made not to work properly some LEDs on the motherboard).

I approved the return request and provided the buyer details on how to return the item and get refunded.

 

According to the ebay money back guarantee policy:

https://www.ebay.com.au/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-pol...

 

Item significantly not as described

  • A buyer must request a return no later than 30 days after the actual (or latest estimated) delivery date, or, if the seller's return window is longer, within the return window.
  • The seller has 3 full business days from the request date to respond to the buyer or offer a solution. If the seller does not respond or offer a solution, the buyer can ask us to step in and help. Note that in some circumstances, eBay may accept the return automatically on the seller's behalf.
  • The buyer must send the item back to the seller no longer than 5 business days after starting the return. If the seller offers a replacement and the buyer doesn't post the original item back within 30 days of the buyer starting the return, we charge the buyer for the replacement.

This clearly says that the buyer is required to ship the item back by 5 business days after the case approval.

 

The case was accepted by me on 23th of May and on the same day I provided the buyer details on how to return the item and get reimbursed.

 

On June 2nd I asked ebay to step in and close the case in my favour because the buyer failed to return the item in the 5 business days timeframe.

I received an answer from ebay AU customerhelp saying that they couldn't close the case.

The buyer shipped the item back and provided a tracking number only on 4th of June. The tracking number clearly shows that the item was shipped on 4th of June.

 

After 2 weeks I received the item back.

It is seriously damaged: the motherboard has thermal glue in one of the RAM slots, the warranty is definitely invalid now, and this is the reason why the motherboard gets short circuit.

 

I contacted the buyer to get explanation, he did not respond.

I contacted the ebay customer help by chat today.

 

First I asked why they allowed the buyer to return the item after more than 5 business days.

I've got no answer. This is definitely a breach of contract.

About the fact that the item is damaged they simply suggested me to contact the buyer, which is what I did on 18th of June without any answer from the buyer.

They also said that since I received the item the buyer will be reimbursed and I have no chance to get the case closed in my favour.

So now I will have a motherboard of original value of AU$1960 which will have a value of ZERO because damaged and with invalidated warranty, all this because of the negligence and dishonesty of the buyer.

This is a clear breach of contract, because eBay allowrd the buyer to return the item after the timeframe of 5 business days as it is mentioned in the ebay policy, and because allowed the buyer to get reimbursed for an item that he damaged.

 

 

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What can anyone say....that is ebay!

When it is the buyer's word against the seller the buyer will always win.

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@*eeeshop*,

 

That is an unpleasant situation.

 

You're not ever EVER going to get anywhere by contacting eBay via chat.  eBay's "Have us call you" option is by far the best way to get in touch with eBay. (Emails are useless, for a number of reasons, but primarily because the responses, when they are finally sent, are bot-generated. eBay chat is almost as bad, because the chat is staffed by the lowest-level eBay employees who can only respond with scripted snippets. They don't have any decision-making authority.)

I see you're registered in Italy. I don't know if eBay's "Have us call you" option applies to a seller with an international phone number, but this is definitely the contact option you need in order to address this in the best possible way. The Have us call you option leads one to various topics... I know that some eBay members have reported having trouble actually seeing/accessing that option recently, so I'll include the direct link for Have us call you topic "Appeal a decision":

eBay say: We'll call you at the phone number registered to your account, or you can enter a different number.

Weโ€™re available from 8am to 10pm AET, 7 days a week. (Melbourne/Sydney time. As I type this, it's 9:13 PM.)

 

But before you call, have all of the information to hand. You will need all the documentation, all the photos ready to upload, the case number, etc. You'll need to have the wording to hand from the eBay Money Back Guarantee (which I can see you've noted by checking the Help pages).

 

You'll also need to be patient, ultra-polite, and prepared to repeat statements over and over (without any sign of weariness or impatience). I'll post a link to a recent reply that I gave another ebay member which is relevant - please read before you do anything!

 

Post in thread titled "Buyer wants to return?" (direct link - the post also contains links to to other threads/replies that are relevant).

 

In Australia, in the state of NSW (under whose legislation eBay abides in terms of consumer law), it is legal to record a phone call when using an external recording device, and with the permission of the other person. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't anything in Italian law to contradict that. So... at the start of the call (when the eBay rep phones back), you'd start the recording device, say "Before we proceed, I would like to advise that this call is being recorded. Is that all right?" If the eBay CS rep says "Yes" or words to that effect, you can keep recording. If the rep says no, then of course you must switch off the device.

 

Whether or not you're recording the call, you should also take notes throughout the call. Note the date, time, name of the person with whom you're speaking, substance of the call (in point form).

 

Have a clear objective for the call. In the post to which I linked, I gave a detailed outline of the objective and how to achieve it. Basically, you can best do this by having a step-by-step plan. You want the eBay CS rep to agree on the point you raise before you move to the next point.

 

I think - from reading your post - that you'd have no difficulty in setting out your steps to reach the call's objective. But if you have any uncertainties at all, post here and I am sure that either I or someone else will be happy to help.

 

The important things are:

 

  • have everything prepared beforehand;
  • speak in a courteous, friendly tone (which can hold a tinge of distress, but not too much - and never directed AT the rep);
  • be prepared to repeat information already given, until you achieve agreement;
  • rely heavily on quoting eBay policy and point out that the buyer is abusing the eBay MBG by not posting within the time period AND returning a damaged item;
  • know what remedy / outcome you want and are entitled to (but don't use the word "entitled" ... or "rights" - you want the eBay CS rep to be on your side and that means using your words carefully);
  • don't blame eBay (again, you want the eBay CS rep on your side);
  • don't end the call or allow the call to end unless a satisfactory outcome has been achieved.

 

Oh! Something I just thought of now... If the Have us call you option does require an Australian phone number, can you quickly subscribe to a Skype number (choosing an Australian number) and enter that number into the phone number field on the Have us call you page?

 

Best of luck - and once you have a resolution, can you come back to post the result?

 

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never mind Countess has better advice than me

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@countessalmirena wrote:

@*eeeshop*,

 

That is an unpleasant situation.

 

You're not ever EVER going to get anywhere by contacting eBay via chat.  eBay's "Have us call you" option is by far the best way to get in touch with eBay. (Emails are useless, for a number of reasons, but primarily because the responses, when they are finally sent, are bot-generated. eBay chat is almost as bad, because the chat is staffed by the lowest-level eBay employees who can only respond with scripted snippets. They don't have any decision-making authority.)

I see you're registered in Italy. I don't know if eBay's "Have us call you" option applies to a seller with an international phone number, but this is definitely the contact option you need in order to address this in the best possible way. The Have us call you option leads one to various topics... I know that some eBay members have reported having trouble actually seeing/accessing that option recently, so I'll include the direct link for Have us call you topic "Appeal a decision":

eBay say: We'll call you at the phone number registered to your account, or you can enter a different number.

Weโ€™re available from 8am to 10pm AET, 7 days a week. (Melbourne/Sydney time. As I type this, it's 9:13 PM.)

 

But before you call, have all of the information to hand. You will need all the documentation, all the photos ready to upload, the case number, etc. You'll need to have the wording to hand from the eBay Money Back Guarantee (which I can see you've noted by checking the Help pages).

 

You'll also need to be patient, ultra-polite, and prepared to repeat statements over and over (without any sign of weariness or impatience). I'll post a link to a recent reply that I gave another ebay member which is relevant - please read before you do anything!

 

Post in thread titled "Buyer wants to return?" (direct link - the post also contains links to to other threads/replies that are relevant).

 

In Australia, in the state of NSW (under whose legislation eBay abides in terms of consumer law), it is legal to record a phone call when using an external recording device, and with the permission of the other person. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't anything in Italian law to contradict that. So... at the start of the call (when the eBay rep phones back), you'd start the recording device, say "Before we proceed, I would like to advise that this call is being recorded. Is that all right?" If the eBay CS rep says "Yes" or words to that effect, you can keep recording. If the rep says no, then of course you must switch off the device.

 

Whether or not you're recording the call, you should also take notes throughout the call. Note the date, time, name of the person with whom you're speaking, substance of the call (in point form).

 

Have a clear objective for the call. In the post to which I linked, I gave a detailed outline of the objective and how to achieve it. Basically, you can best do this by having a step-by-step plan. You want the eBay CS rep to agree on the point you raise before you move to the next point.

 

I think - from reading your post - that you'd have no difficulty in setting out your steps to reach the call's objective. But if you have any uncertainties at all, post here and I am sure that either I or someone else will be happy to help.

 

The important things are:

 

  • have everything prepared beforehand;
  • speak in a courteous, friendly tone (which can hold a tinge of distress, but not too much - and never directed AT the rep);
  • be prepared to repeat information already given, until you achieve agreement;
  • rely heavily on quoting eBay policy and point out that the buyer is abusing the eBay MBG by not posting within the time period AND returning a damaged item;
  • know what remedy / outcome you want and are entitled to (but don't use the word "entitled" ... or "rights" - you want the eBay CS rep to be on your side and that means using your words carefully);
  • don't blame eBay (again, you want the eBay CS rep on your side);
  • don't end the call or allow the call to end unless a satisfactory outcome has been achieved.

 

Oh! Something I just thought of now... If the Have us call you option does require an Australian phone number, can you quickly subscribe to a Skype number (choosing an Australian number) and enter that number into the phone number field on the Have us call you page?

 

Best of luck - and once you have a resolution, can you come back to post the result?

 


dear Countessalmirena,

thank you for your help.

 

I called ebay Italy but they washed their hands saying it's an eBay Australia case, I have to contact them.

However the assistant was friendly, understood my concerns, and said he would have written ebay Australia an email and put a note in the case details, asking them to contact me before taking any decisions on the case.

 

Unfortunately I cannot call ebay Australia right now because it's late night in AU and they're closed, do you think it is a good idea to write them an email? Or better I wait late evening here in Italy and call them when they open in the (Australian) morning?

 

thanks for advice!

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Are you sure you received the same MB back and not a swap with the exact same model ?

Checked serial numbers ?

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In the original sale did you have any photos that would show no damage to the area now damaged.

This is a bit of late advise, take photos of everything and use them in the listing.

 

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@kopenhagen5 wrote:

Are you sure you received the same MB back and not a swap with the exact same model ?

Checked serial numbers ?


yes, I checked serial number it's the same motherboard

 

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@i-once-was-bump wrote:

In the original sale did you have any photos that would show no damage to the area now damaged.

This is a bit of late advise, take photos of everything and use them in the listing.

 


 I can't, I sell brand new sealed items.

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Emails are completely useless. They're not read by humans in the first iteration, but instead - some days after being received - there will be a bot-generated response. The response will look as though someone didn't even read your email, and has replied on a completely different topic with a placebo answer. (Keyword-triggered.)

 

Using the Have us call you option seems to connect the enquirer with a CS rep higher up, with the ability to make decisions.

 

Have photos ready (as files that you can upload or email) to show the damaged area before and after, as i-once-was-bump says.

 

Have ready the information about the date and time when you approved the return. As you said, 23rd May approval, and the buyer only sent the item on 4th June, which is certainly not within five business days. You relied on eBay's Money Back Guarantee Policy and requested eBay to step in and close the return option on the basis of the buyer not sending the item as per the terms of the eBay MBG. As you read, โThe buyer must send the item back to the seller no longer than 5 business days after starting the return.โž

 

(Had you contacted eBay Australia via Have us call you at that time, when you requested the case be closed, I believe it would have been closed.)

 

By what you have posted, the motherboard was damaged by the buyer - is that correct? That is, the short circuiting was not a fault with which the item was received by the buyer, but the buyer's actions resulted in damage to the motherboard probably due to mishandling, and this was the cause of the short circuiting? IF SO, then the buyer has made a fraudulent claim.

 

Point out that the buyer received the motherboard on 1st April, and it was not until 21st May that the buyer indicated that there was anything wrong. This suggests that the buyer had installed it and was using it until his actions damaged the motherboard. Quoting from the MBG again, โThe eBay Money Back Guarantee is not a product warranty, and does not replace your Australian Consumer Law rights.โž

 

Apropos of that, do you have anything to show or suggest that the buyer was using the item? That it arrived undamaged? You need to be prepared to demonstrate that the item condition of the motherboard when you sent it (and when the buyer received it) was not the item condition of the motherboard when you received it back. You must have an answer for the eBay CS rep when he/she presses you on how you can know this. If you simply say that it was sealed so you can't prove the item condition, you won't have made your case. Is the item damage VISIBLE? If it's clearly visible, or if it is clear that the item has been used, you are closer to making your case.

 

So... gather your evidence. Can you make a Statutory Declaration stating that the motherboard has been received back in used damaged condition and that it was not sent in that condition? Can you get a letter from the company making the the motherboard that the damage is indicative of having been used? Anything on letterhead from your supplier about the sort of damage...

 

Anything communicated by the buyer is also important. Did the buyer give positive feedback? Is there any wording in any communication by the buyer indicating use?

 

Only when you have all the information to hand should you use the Have us call you option. It's worth taking a day or so to get all the evidence together.

 

Following the pattern set in my reply in another thread... Before you call, summarise how you want the conversation to go. Set objectives for the conversation and don't move past an objective until you have achieved it. For instance:

 

  1. Briefly explain that you are worried that your buyer of item number xxxx has purchased a brand new item (motherboard) from you and has made a fraudulent claim under the eBay Money Back Guarantee. (Very brief. This is an introduction to the situation, not where you argue your case.)
  2. Point to the listing itself. Of vital significance is the condition of the item (Brand New, sealed) and any photos you have. This is an important point, and you want the eBay CS rep to agree that the item condition is brand new and sealed, and that the photos show that it could not have the damage that has occurred to the motherboard post-sale. You can't move on from this point until the CS rep agrees, so make sure you have all the information about item condition for this point.
  3. Once the CS rep has agreed about the item condition, produce any buyer communication/s referring to the buyer using the motherboard, and point out that the damage which the buyer alleges would have meant that the motherboard could not be used at all, had it been there before the buyer installed the motherboard. Point out that you agreed to a return based on the buyer's claim that there had been a short circuit due to some LEDs failing, which is a possible fault that can occur. ON THAT BASIS you were happy to receive the item back. However, the buyer's claim was fraudulent, because the short circuit was a direct result NOT of any LED failure, but to damage caused to the motherboard through the buyer's mishandling. And finally point out that even though you accepted a return on this basis, the buyer failed to return the item within the ftimeframe stipulated by the eBay Money Back Guarantee.
    Offer to upload the Statutory Declaration, the letter from the manufacturer/supplier, the photos, and any other relevant information. Don't do this after the call ends; you should aim to have everything resolved in this phone call.
    You can't move on from this point unless you patiently get the eBay CS rep to agree.
    1. That is, the basis on which the Significantly Not As Described claim was made was fraudulent;
    2. The item ceased to work, not because of an intrinsic failure of any of its parts, but due to visible damage caused by someone mishandling the item; and
    3. The timeframe for the buyer to return the item was not met. You requested that the case be closed on the basis that the buyer failed to meet the requirements of the MBG timeframe, and under those circumstances you understand that you are not obligated to refund the buyer.
  4. Once the CS rep has agreed that the item's return was outside the MBG timeframe, and that it is possible (even likely) that the buyer may have misused the MBG, ask for a reversal of the decision/case and discuss with the rep about the resolution that you're happy to offer - i.e., send back the damaged item to the buyer so that they can get it repaired once they receive it back.

 

Quite literally, this must be done point by point. You can't move to the next point unless you achieve agreement with the CS rep on the current point. That is why you must have all the evidence ready before you contact eBay. The more you point out that the buyer has not met the conditions of the MBG, the better. But you also want to ensure that there is sufficient evidence that the damage is buyer-caused.

 

Good luck!

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