eBay's postage fee... here we go again!

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Hello to everybody who might happen to read this.

I only use this account to browse on ebay to get an idea of prices for items I list elsewhere.

I'll never sell or buy on ebay ever again due to their illegal postage fee.

I know this has been covered so many times and I know there's been so much information and links to the relevant websites, but the following information and link to the ACCC website proves in a nutshell (as far as I'm concerned) that what they do from profiting from a service they don't provide is illegal as much as ACCC or any organisation does nothing about - so it's up to the individual to take a stance against them just like I have, but instead of rambling on about what I'm doing on behalf of all Australian ebay users and to make ebay pay back every cent they've stolen... here's the information and link to the ACCC website:

The Australian consumer law prohibits businesses from misleading consumers (ie: their illegal postage fee should be displayed next to the postage cost just as GST has to be displayed).  It also prohibits them from accepting payment (for products and/or services) if they do not intend to supply (those same products and/or services).

http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/sales-delivery/non-delivery-of-products-services

I'll leave that with yourselves and whether you take a stance against them too is totally up to yourselves.  Everyone knows (or should know) that this place if "rife" with unfair business practices and policies, but when they conduct in illegal activities and decide to steal money from the very people who make them money then that's my justification for my own stance against them.

Cheers!

[identity000614]

What is your point. We keep selling on ebay doesn't mean we think it is alright to pay for extra fees. You don't get it. I wonder what's in it for you. Really 'stockholm syndrome'. Yes not all corporations are right, there is no such thing as entitlement. Corporations exist to benefit themselves of course more than to benefit the user. The users are trying benefit themselves too, but when they are ripped off of course they fight to survive. Not to sit there and give useless opinions.

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@identity000614 wrote:
What is your point. We keep selling on ebay doesn't mean we think it is alright to pay for extra fees. You don't get it. I wonder what's in it for you. Really 'stockholm syndrome'. Yes not all corporations are right, there is no such thing as entitlement. Corporations exist to benefit themselves of course more than to benefit the user. The users are trying benefit themselves too, but when they are ripped off of course they fight to survive. Not to sit there and give useless opinions.

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First up, eBay don't read the forums, so you can forget any suggestions that there are any eBay employees here, regardless of what you may think. Someone not agreeing with you does not make them an employee. The mods on the other hand, who are not eBay employees, take a dim view of posts regarding petitions or action against eBay. Don't be surprised if your first post under your other ID is removed. If you continue, you may find yourself removed as you are violating forum policy, which is grounds for suspension. 

What's in it for us? An endless supply of buyers, that's what. If you don't want to pay the postage fees, then try selling on one of the many other platforms. I can guarantee you won't get the sell rate you get here. Nearly everyone that has left to try the other sites have come back because their sales were almost non existant.

Why not do what the rest of us do? Add a bit extra to your postage cost to cover the fees? Not that hard. I charge extra for postage and my stars have always remained at 5 for postage costs, so clearly the buyers have no issues paying the bit extra. While I am the one the physically gives eBay the fees, the buyers are giving me the money to do so.

I don't know of any seller that likes having to pay fees on postage, but if we want to keep selling here, we have no choice. Like  it or lump it really. Given it started several years ago, you're a bit behind the times if you're only arking up about it now. Plenty was said at the time if you go through the older threads than the one you dragged up. You'll also see that people did try to do something about it at the time, but their efforts were fruitless because they had gone through all the correct channels to get it passed.

[identity000614]

You are not even selling anything, who are you representing?

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I have nearly 1,000 items for sale. I am representing myself.

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Paranoid much?

[identity000614]

I know it was started several years ago, so? Does that mean it is alright to do so? Doesn't really mean they got away with it. Not yet.

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Ummm, yeah, it does. Good luck getting anyone to join a class action. Any seller who wants to keep selling won't be joining you, because once you start taking action like this against them, you can kiss goodbye to your selling privileges. Once that's done, your efforts would have been a waste of time because the postage fees will still be there, only you'll no longer be able to sell. Why would you want to jeopardise your account over something you can't stop?

A lawyer that advertises on TV ain't going to come close to eBay's legal team. It's been done to death already. It's not going to change. They are not breaking any laws by doing it and I'm sure your TV lawyer will find that out when they start hitting google for answers.

[identity000614]

Please don't reply to my post. '0' feedback, '0' listings.

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@identity000614 wrote:
Please don't reply to my post. '0' feedback, '0' listings.

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I am allowed to reply to any posts I like. You have no say who replies to your posts. If I choose to post with a 0 feedback ID, that is my right. If you had read the forum rules like you were supposed to before coming in here to have a rant, you would understand why my ID has 0 feedback. If you didn't, then that's not my fault.

[lyndal1838]

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@x3n0m wrote:

Why waste time and money going over the same ground when it has already been established that ebay has got away with it whether we like it or not.

So you are saying this has already been tested in a court of law? or are you saying that politicians and accc are the law? or are you saying ebay can do no wrong? ..

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I am not saying that it has been tested in a court of law but if the likes of the ACCC don't think it is worth taking to court then I would think that the average Joe Blow should take notice.   Ebay has deeper pockets than any of the members here who might want to try their luck.

But who am I to discourage anyone who wants to try?   But it might be a bit difficult to organise a Class Action as has been discussed when you cannot organise it through the boards.

Good Luck to anyone who wants to send themelves bankrupt.

[digital*ghost]

Replying to the thread in general, and straight off the bat I'll just mention the following facts (discretion is needed, since some of these facts will be unverifiable).

My dislike of eBay's unethical FVF on postage has been well documented on these forums - if I remember correctly, in this thread even. And I will continue to express my dislike of it, should I feel it appropriate. 

I run a store on another ID, I do not sell with this ID.

I sell on one other site at this point in time, with continued view to expanding further outside of eBay, but that intention has nothing to do with FVF on postage.

My business is my full time job.

I am not interested in a class action against eBay over the FVF on postage.

I do not like it, I resent it. I don't belive in, or agree with, eBay's reasoning for it. It's one of the reasons I refuse to open my listings up to international buyers, despite being asked often to do so, and despite international buyers making up about 65% of my customers on the other site. 

I stay, because I'm running a business, and I often find I have to make decisions about things I don't agree with. eBay make many decisions I don't agree with, but I have found the best way to work with it so that it doesn't have a detrimental affect on my business, because to me, my business is significantly more important to me than eBay's. 

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological condition that results in a person having feelings of empathy, sometimes loyalty and love, for their abuser. Just for the record, I feel none of those things for eBay, I just recognise they use me to generate profit, and I in turn use them to do the same thing, for as long as the arrangement is mutually beneficial.