Is eBay doing enough to protect mental health of eBayers from abusive people?

The only things one appears to be able to report are matters associated with buying and selling. But it appears to me that platforms these days have responsibility for policing bad behaviour, and it is possible for eBay to receive reports and penalise abusive people, so why is there not a way to report abuse and vilification? Referring people on the issues page to "go to the police" is not appropriate unless threats are being made. But what about abuse? This platform is about buying and selling, and there are enough protections built in now that there is no need (never has been) for people to be abusive and nasty, all correspondence should be polite and reasonable. So when abusive feedback (alleging bad character) or abusive messages are sent to someone, and there is no way to report this as all the report options refer specifically to buying/selling issues, is eBay opening themselves up to litigation as negligent?  I'd hope mental health is being regarded as important these days, and eBay portray themselves as not tolerating bad behaviour. So where is the evidence of that? One abusive message to someone maligning their character should see you banned for a period or your account struck off. And is neg feedback left by these people, maligning character, legitimately left on? That's not feedback, it's abuse. 

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well yippee, if their character assassination gets past the controllers then so should mine. If theirs is removed, I'm happy for mine to go with it 🙂

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I don't think so when they read her messages to me too. I was very reasonable and offered full refund and am never rude or personally aggressive even when I buy something I'm unhappy with, and I don't character assassinate. Are you supportive of  bullies, are you? I know when they read her messages to me (that you haven't seen) it won't be me they'll be slapping. I'm very happy for them to take mine off along with hers, but I can tell you mine doesn't come close to things she's been saying to me - and she's been saying to others too. I know because we've been chatting. Hers was offense, mine a reply, mate, and perfectly reasonable. She's angry. That's not character assassination, it's a fact. Telling the world someone's angry is not character assassination. Telling the world you suspect a set up also isn't. Telling the world someone's dishonest and does things purposely is. How is it you don't get that?

PS - I want to refund her and get my garment back but she likes it too much it seems. 

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@bluestocking2, you gave that feedback teeth.

 

Had you replied with a calm oil-on-troubled-waters, well-reasoned, professional response, you'd have mitigated the feedback. Instead, you flew into an upset state and expressed that in your feedback reply.

 

You might not have meant to give a bit of a passive-aggressive tone in your replies to the buyer, but that's how it is striking me...

 

  1. You refer to the buyer's unhappiness with the sale as a "First World Problem". That is the sort of comment which is likely to exacerbate the buyer's irritation, and cause her (I think you said the buyer was a female?) to think you are dismissing her dissatisfaction. When someone feels dismissed, that fans the flames.
  2. You are talking to the "audience" and doing the feedback equivalent of rolling your eyes and flinging out your hands by saying "A dress, folks", tacitly inviting other eBayers to join you in considering this a trivial matter. This is not likely to soothe the buyer.
  3. By saying "A minor nuisance at most", again you are trivialising the buyer's feelings. (I may agree that a dress is not, in the scheme of things, the most important thing in life. Good health, family, friends, being happy and safe - much more important, yes. But... $350 is not exactly peanuts for a dress... so the buyer may well feel justified in being irritated.)
  4. You say "Anger management, ladies!" - that sounds patronising. You may not have meant it that way, but that's how it's going to strike at least some people.

 

Then you add "I suspect a set-up". That comes out of nowhere and really doesn't help your case.

 

The garment - nightrobe? over-robe? - is very beautiful. I note that you listed it as used, in "good condition". The buyer incorrectly stated that you listed it as being in "very good condition". That's a point you could have used without letting your emotions get involved in the feedback.

 

I note that your listing had stock photos as the main picture and the next two pictures. You did include your own photos, but in my view you should use your own photo as the main image, to avoid giving a misleading impression of the item condition. (It does not look "new" in your photos, whereas the stock photos of course show it in pristine condition.)

 

I don't quite know why... but the photo quality seems a little muddy and lacking clarity. Other photos that you've taken for other listings are much better, so I'm not sure why that is.

 

Also, it is a very good sales tactic to describe any signs of wear etc meticulously, along with including close-ups of such areas. Remember that buyers tend not to look at all of the photos; this is especially true if they're shopping on their smart phones or tablets.

 

I agree that it would be helpful if you listed actual measurements in the listing description. Mind you, that's not the main point with regard to this buyer, because the buyer's complaint has nothing to do with size and everything to do with item condition. Clearly the buyer expected a better condition garment than the one she received... It may well be that the buyer's expectations were too high, but perceptions and expectations vary between individuals. The best thing to do with s/h clothes is to over-deliver, and if a buyer's disappointed and messages you to tell you so, don't get into a polarising discussion about it. Just say "Sorry you're disappointed; you can return this for a full refund".

 

Had I been you, I would have replied to the buyer's feedback along these lines:

 

I'm so sorry you're not happy with this beautiful and rare garment, listed as being in "good condition". Numerous photos showing the actual garment in detail were included in the listing. As previously offered, you are welcome to return this for a full refund.

 

It avoids sounding defensive, but it corrects just enough without getting personal or heated. It sounds professional. It reassures potential buyers.

 

The less I say about your "positive" feedback to the buyer, the better. I'll only say that it would have been better avoided; it detracts from how you present yourself as a seller. Dealing with customers - the unreasonable, the hasty, the whole lot of them - is par for the course, and you should be able to respond calmly without a knee-jerk reaction. Think of negative feedback that you receive as an opportunity to show how you can excel in customer service and problem resolution.

 

At any rate, I hope your future sales proceed without such angst and hiccups.

 

 

 

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I've never heard of live chat messages being censored.

 

Since I've never encountered any problems when I've used live chat to report abusive members in the past, it would be helpful if you could post a screenshot of the error message you are receiving when your complaints are being censored.

 

If we can see what type of technical difficulties you are experiencing, perhaps someone here may be able to offer assistance.

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I read your reply.  IMO the nasty person is you.

 

You need to rein in your attitude.

 

I'm a buyer who always looks at feedback before making a purchase.  Your rude dismissive comments would put me off far more than the buyer's dissatisfaction with her purchase.

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IF you know all about FB as you claim, then you would have known how to have it removed,  and there would have been no need for you to come to the boards to whinge.  I could tell you how to get the FB removed, but due to the attitude  I choose not to.

I could tell you what will happen if you threaten ebay with legal action, but again you are on your own.

 

You raised the issue of mental health, Why?

 

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Hello,everyone. To be respectful is very important in your interaction with other members here. I'd like to remind you that content that is harmful, hostile, threatening, abusive, baiting, vulgar, defamatory, harassing, or includes hate or racist speech, name calling, or profanity will be edited or removed.  Please read about our policy here: https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Feedback/Updates-coming-to-eBay-com-au-Discussion-Boards/... Thanks very much. 🙂

 

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Not sure what you expect of eBay with regard to mental health - I'd say that's up to the idividual.

 

And having read what was posted as a reply in FB - yep - bad behaviour. 😉

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Interesting. 
I am unable to see your ‘sold’ listings via the eBay app, so I’ll just ask you. 
…. you haven’t recently sold a dress bnwt $60 with armpit stains by any chance? 😂

I believe that buyer might hurl some abuse too 😉

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How is reporting facts disrespectful?

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