Hi,has any members had problems with the Global Shipping program.

Hi,has any members had problems with the Global Shipping program.It would seem that another party has been added just to double our chances of a mistake.The contract is between buyer and seller on the ebay site and it is hard enough to recieve an item without damage and in a reasonable time without it being duplicated in the shipping process.Unable to contact the global Shipping Co so where do we get any help.

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@4channel,

 

 

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READ ONLY IF YOU'RE SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THE FLAVR SAVR STORY, OR ARE INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE OF GENETIC MODIFICATION AND THE BIOCHEMISTRY OF FOODS IN EXPERIMENTATION

 

The Flavr Savr tomatoes did not, in fact, make people sick. This is a misperception which can be traced back to a television broadcast featuring an interview with Dr Árpád Pusztai on Granada Television's programme "World in Action" (episode "Eat your genes") in 1998, and what followed on directly as a result of that interview. An unpublished and unfinished study formed the basis of Dr Pusztai's statements.

 

Pusztai knew at the time that he was on dubious ground because he gave the false impression that his data was complete, that the study was finsihed (and it wasn't), and that he had the right to draw conclusions from a study not yet finished and make public statements in the public media on the basis of those conclusions (and he did not have that right). Rowett Institute Director Philip James had initially given permission for the interview, but was shocked when Pusztai went beyond the permission, because that permission did not apply to unpublished data.

 

Pusztai was suspended as a result of this.The media began publishing and broadcasting about the genetically modified potatoes Pusztai had referred to.

 

And in that lay the stage for yet another horrible misunderstanding.

 

By some ghastly assumption, someone or several someones at the Rowett Institute jumped to the conclusion that all of this negative press about genetically modified potatoes was referring to a different (second) line of genetic modification research on potatoes. The second line was nothing to do with developing potatoes for testing by consumption. NOTHING AT ALL. That was not intended, was never intended, would never have been intended to be thus tested.

 

Because of that misunderstanding, the Rowett Institute issued a press release in which the first line of experiments was confused with that second line of study - so that it was wrongly stated that concanavalin A (ConA) (which is a lectin which is toxic to mammalian life) was used in the experiments with genetically modified potatoes.

 

Worth stressing: such potatoes were (and I cannot stress it sufficiently) absolutely not tested. Their toxicity was recognised and these were not ever researched with the intention of testing them - that's not what that particular line of research/study was aiming at. Someone at the Institute just made an error by confusing two different lines of research. The experiments whicih Pusztai had been talking about, and which were being tested, were potatoes which had been genetically modified with the Galanthus nivalis agglutinin (GNA) gene which comes from the snowdrop plant.

 

Now that that's clear, let me get back to the media release by the Institute. Oh lord. You can just imagine how well that media release went down. The confusion by the Institute was magnified times a thousand by the media who thought they'd been told that toxic potatoes were to be released/were being sold. They of course publicised this; the public gave a huge outcry (as they should have had the toxic potatoes really been intended for consumption!). Both the Agricultural Minister and the scientist Sir Robert May issued public statements in which they spoke of the effects of the genetically modified potatoes of which Pusztai had spoken in the television interview, and naturally said this was to be expected since the GM potatoes contains toxins. Public outcry magnitude became even larger.

 

Because of these cumulative misunderstandings, GM foods faced such negative press that several "brands" were tainted by the public misperception. FLAVR SAVR tomatoes are one such casualty. These tomatoes were not mentioned in Pusztai's interview, but suffered the consequence from the fallout.

 

There is no biochemical reason to suppose that FLAVR SAVR tomatoes would have posed any risk to consumers. I cannot speak about whether the flavour was any better; research into tomato flavour has only quite recently found just why it is that the modern tomato strains lack the flavour of those richly delicious tomatoes of thirty or forty years ago; thank goodness that with that identification, the flavour is being bred back in.

 

As far as Pusztai's career is concerned, he suffered just as much in the aftermatch as did the GM potatoes over whose experiments he had presided. There's no doubt he breached the rules in releasing unpublished data through the "popular media" rather than allowing the study to be completed and then to be properly written up, peer-reviewed, and published as normal for scientific research.

 

It's also significant that there has been divided response to Pusztai's study once it WAS completed. The Rowett Institute deemed Pusztai's conclusions not to be supported by the data. One response by combined scientists in Friends ot the Earth disagreed. (There's little doubt that political considerations and public pressure were factors at play.) Unusually, the Royal Society organised a peer review of the study, which found that the methodology of the study was not up to standard and that the experiments were poorly designed, so that the data coud not be relied upon. Then in stepped The Lancet with an editorial letter publishing the test data and giving a round telling off to Pusztai and to the Royal Society - indeed, no one escaped censure! The letter's conclusion was that Pusztai's conclusion was not supported; there was no difference in growth or immune factors between the test rats and the control rats involved in the testing of the GM potatoes (NOT THE TOXIC POTATOES - THEY WERE NEVER TESTED, REMEMBER). That letter was reviewed by six reviewers who disagreed slightly with each other about it, but the end result was that the letter was indeed published.

 

There you have it. Everything you ever wanted to know (or didn't want to know) about why the FLAVR SAVR tomatoes were not commercially successful. It all came down to a series of bungles... a sort-of media Keystone Crops.

 

 

When it comes to sellers who do not want to send items internationally except through the GSP, I would always exercise very great caution. The reasons are that

 

  • Pitney Bowes may decide, through some utterly arbitrary rule that makes no sense, to fail to deliver the item, confiscating it;
  • the postage price for a relatively small and light item will almost certainly be outrageous;
  • the delivery time may be elongated;
  • the buyer may grow to loathe the very thought of Erlanger, Kentucky;
  • the repack by Pitney Bowes may be very poor (indeed, so poor that the item ends up being insufficiently protected);
  • the buyer won't have the satisfaction of being able to complain through feedback about the poor postage (if it was a poor postage situation).

 

But if those factors aren't as important as other issues related to the purchase, the buyer may make an informed decision to go ahead with the purchase. Anecdotal information suggests that the parcel (if not an item that is likely to be confiscated) will get to the buyer, along a reasonably predictable path, albeit a sometimes delayed path...

 

(I'd much rather have the item - if the seller is in the US - sent to my US forwarding address, and then have my parcels sent to me swiftly from that address. Experience tells me that within 3-4 days, I'll have my parcels at my doorstep.)

 

 

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Hi k1ooo-slr-sales , thanks for your reply. I hear what you're saying.

 

You said .....

the difference between fluoridation of water supplies, where consumers are not given a choice for their tap water supply, and an eBay purchase is that nobody forces the eBay item upon the buyer.  The buyer has the choice to not buy those items that use the GSP if they don’t like the cost.

 

Yes 100% agree about consumers not being given a choice. Proof we are not in a democracy. The analogy I was using was that we can avoid this toxin to a degree by getting a reverse-osmosis water filter or buying bottle water from a couple of reliable suppliers in Australia. Sadly we can't avoid it because it is in processed food and the toxin is absorbed through our skin when we bathe or shower. The solution would be to use rain water.   Also with respect to GM food, so much processed food contains GM ingredients. That's a mighty big call to make the change. The similarity with GSP is that buyers and collectors are  forced to make a big huge change. Bigger than what may be apparent at the time.

 

You said   ....

As for the seller who will not budge on the GSP . . . . there is nothing binding buyers to buying from that seller . . . find another seller.

 

Yes partially agree  but in several cases which has affected me personally, the item is not available anywhere else. One item which I have been trying to get from a female seller in the UK,  is available on another website but at 3 times her listing  price. Interestingly it would be cheaper for me to buy there as his postage is only a bit above the norm, but he wants to much for it. She has the item there at a third of the price but the GSP postage is 3 to 4 times the norm. Either way this item will cost me too much.

 

You said  ... ..

OR, do as has already been advised and find a way around it.  I have, on more than one occasion:

 

- before GSP came in, when a USA seller would not ship to me, I got a friend in the USA to buy on their eBay account.  They got free shipping to their address, and they forwarded the item to me.  This would still work now that the GSP is in place. 

 

- on another occasion, I changed my eBay and PayPal primary address to my friends address and bought and paid for the item myself, and my friend posted it to me once it arrived at their place.

 

I have tried a couple times in the USA and the problem is that I have lost contact with a couple of friends. To find a seller or someone to accept delivery from another party is very hard. One lady I contacted in the US to do similar (And this was way before GSP slithered its way into our scene)  was very relauctant for obviious reasons. IT's like someone you don't know too well asking you before you hop on a flight to deliver a package to someone you don't know.  Oh and the other party I contacted was reluctant for some other reason.  I can't recall now. May have been double handling causes damage.

There was one guy in the UK that did en a favour by accepting delivery from another seller who at the time didn't even reply to o/s buyers. That was because he sold me a bad item and easy way to make good was to help me. Turned out to work well.  Oh and the reluctant to even sell or reply to o/s buyers eded up selling to me down the track and this was way before GSP.

 

Well, you have made a good point k1ooo-slr-sales, but all this having to do extra is a hassle.  I long for the good-old-days of ebay which wasn't that long ago.

 

Cheers

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Geez, I wouldn't be using tank water to shower in if I'm trying to avoid chemicals. Have you ever had rain water tested? It's chock full of chemicals from farm sprays, crop dusters and what not. That's the same reason why around 95% of organic farms show chemical residue on their crops (overspray from non organic farms......that wind can carry stuff a long way.....and also from rain water).

 

I'll stick to showering in town water that is cleaned by reverse osmosis thanks very much.

 

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That said, I do still love to drink rain water, the taste is much nicer. I'll also drink water out of the tap, and God forbid, from the hose! Bottled water is only expensive tap water. I refuse to buy it unless absolutely necessary)
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@countessalmirenawrote:

@4channel,

 

 

Spoiler

READ ONLY IF YOU'RE SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN THE FLAVR SAVR STORY, OR ARE INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE OF GENETIC MODIFICATION AND THE BIOCHEMISTRY OF FOODS IN EXPERIMENTATION

 

The Flavr Savr tomatoes did not, in fact, make people sick. This is a misperception which can be traced back to a television broadcast featuring an interview with Dr Árpád Pusztai on Granada Television's programme "World in Action" (episode "Eat your genes") in 1998, and what followed on directly as a result of that interview. An unpublished and unfinished study formed the basis of Dr Pusztai's statements.

 

Pusztai knew at the time that he was on dubious ground because he gave the false impression that his data was complete, that the study was finsihed (and it wasn't), and that he had the right to draw conclusions from a study not yet finished and make public statements in the public media on the basis of those conclusions (and he did not have that right). Rowett Institute Director Philip James had initially given permission for the interview, but was shocked when Pusztai went beyond the permission, because that permission did not apply to unpublished data.

 

Pusztai was suspended as a result of this.The media began publishing and broadcasting about the genetically modified potatoes Pusztai had referred to.

 

And in that lay the stage for yet another horrible misunderstanding.

 

By some ghastly assumption, someone or several someones at the Rowett Institute jumped to the conclusion that all of this negative press about genetically modified potatoes was referring to a different (second) line of genetic modification research on potatoes. The second line was nothing to do with developing potatoes for testing by consumption. NOTHING AT ALL. That was not intended, was never intended, would never have been intended to be thus tested.

 

Because of that misunderstanding, the Rowett Institute issued a press release in which the first line of experiments was confused with that second line of study - so that it was wrongly stated that concanavalin A (ConA) (which is a lectin which is toxic to mammalian life) was used in the experiments with genetically modified potatoes.

 

Worth stressing: such potatoes were (and I cannot stress it sufficiently) absolutely not tested. Their toxicity was recognised and these were not ever researched with the intention of testing them - that's not what that particular line of research/study was aiming at. Someone at the Institute just made an error by confusing two different lines of research. The experiments whicih Pusztai had been talking about, and which were being tested, were potatoes which had been genetically modified with the Galanthus nivalis agglutinin (GNA) gene which comes from the snowdrop plant.

 

Now that that's clear, let me get back to the media release by the Institute. Oh lord. You can just imagine how well that media release went down. The confusion by the Institute was magnified times a thousand by the media who thought they'd been told that toxic potatoes were to be released/were being sold. They of course publicised this; the public gave a huge outcry (as they should have had the toxic potatoes really been intended for consumption!). Both the Agricultural Minister and the scientist Sir Robert May issued public statements in which they spoke of the effects of the genetically modified potatoes of which Pusztai had spoken in the television interview, and naturally said this was to be expected since the GM potatoes contains toxins. Public outcry magnitude became even larger.

 

Because of these cumulative misunderstandings, GM foods faced such negative press that several "brands" were tainted by the public misperception. FLAVR SAVR tomatoes are one such casualty. These tomatoes were not mentioned in Pusztai's interview, but suffered the consequence from the fallout.

 

There is no biochemical reason to suppose that FLAVR SAVR tomatoes would have posed any risk to consumers. I cannot speak about whether the flavour was any better; research into tomato flavour has only quite recently found just why it is that the modern tomato strains lack the flavour of those richly delicious tomatoes of thirty or forty years ago; thank goodness that with that identification, the flavour is being bred back in.

 

As far as Pusztai's career is concerned, he suffered just as much in the aftermatch as did the GM potatoes over whose experiments he had presided. There's no doubt he breached the rules in releasing unpublished data through the "popular media" rather than allowing the study to be completed and then to be properly written up, peer-reviewed, and published as normal for scientific research.

 

It's also significant that there has been divided response to Pusztai's study once it WAS completed. The Rowett Institute deemed Pusztai's conclusions not to be supported by the data. One response by combined scientists in Friends ot the Earth disagreed. (There's little doubt that political considerations and public pressure were factors at play.) Unusually, the Royal Society organised a peer review of the study, which found that the methodology of the study was not up to standard and that the experiments were poorly designed, so that the data coud not be relied upon. Then in stepped The Lancet with an editorial letter publishing the test data and giving a round telling off to Pusztai and to the Royal Society - indeed, no one escaped censure! The letter's conclusion was that Pusztai's conclusion was not supported; there was no difference in growth or immune factors between the test rats and the control rats involved in the testing of the GM potatoes (NOT THE TOXIC POTATOES - THEY WERE NEVER TESTED, REMEMBER). That letter was reviewed by six reviewers who disagreed slightly with each other about it, but the end result was that the letter was indeed published.

 

There you have it. Everything you ever wanted to know (or didn't want to know) about why the FLAVR SAVR tomatoes were not commercially successful. It all came down to a series of bungles... a sort-of media Keystone Crops.

 

 

When it comes to sellers who do not want to send items internationally except through the GSP, I would always exercise very great caution. The reasons are that

 

  • Pitney Bowes may decide, through some utterly arbitrary rule that makes no sense, to fail to deliver the item, confiscating it;
  • the postage price for a relatively small and light item will almost certainly be outrageous;
  • the delivery time may be elongated;
  • the buyer may grow to loathe the very thought of Erlanger, Kentucky;
  • the repack by Pitney Bowes may be very poor (indeed, so poor that the item ends up being insufficiently protected);
  • the buyer won't have the satisfaction of being able to complain through feedback about the poor postage (if it was a poor postage situation).

 

But if those factors aren't as important as other issues related to the purchase, the buyer may make an informed decision to go ahead with the purchase. Anecdotal information suggests that the parcel (if not an item that is likely to be confiscated) will get to the buyer, along a reasonably predictable path, albeit a sometimes delayed path...

 

(I'd much rather have the item - if the seller is in the US - sent to my US forwarding address, and then have my parcels sent to me swiftly from that address. Experience tells me that within 3-4 days, I'll have my parcels at my doorstep.)

 

 


Thanks countessalmirena ,

 

Yes, you have raised some good points and thanks for your input. I could add a dozen more but I've already mentioned a few.

 

What is important to me as well as many other buyers is to have access to the desired item at a reasonable price. Pitney Bowes GSP has become a barrier to that as we continue to know as a result of the many disgusted buyers who have fallen into the trap or those like myself who refuse to pay $40 post for an item that would cost $10 post. Or when multiple ites are concerned , use our imagination on that inflated price.

 

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Yes, I know the situation involving Dr. Pusztai very well!  What happened to him or what really took place is not mentioned in what you have posted. 

Thanks anyway, I do apreciate you takinmg the time though.

An informative documentary would be -

Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs



https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/seeds-death/

Gary Null is the director. 

Our media discredits or deliberately ignores such sources of info for obvious reasons $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  Social media and interactive websites are unbalanced in the favour of the industry.





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@4channelwrote:

@countessalmirena

 

What is important to me as well as many other buyers is to have access to the desired item at a reasonable price. Pitney Bowes GSP has become a barrier to that as we continue to know as a result of the many disgusted buyers who have fallen into the trap or those like myself who refuse to pay $40 post for an item that would cost $10 post. Or when multiple ites are concerned , use our imagination on that inflated price.

 


But it's been pointed out to you many times before that with the US and UK sellers being opted into the GSP by default, you are able to now get those items, whereas in the past many, if not all, of those sellers would not sell overseas.................

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@*tippy*toes*wrote:

Geez, I wouldn't be using tank water to shower in if I'm trying to avoid chemicals. Have you ever had rain water tested? It's chock full of chemicals from farm sprays, crop dusters and what not. That's the same reason why around 95% of organic farms show chemical residue on their crops (overspray from non organic farms......that wind can carry stuff a long way.....and also from rain water).

 

I'll stick to showering in town water that is cleaned by reverse osmosis thanks very much.

 

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That said, I do still love to drink rain water, the taste is much nicer. I'll also drink water out of the tap, and God forbid, from the hose! Bottled water is only expensive tap water. I refuse to buy it unless absolutely necessary)
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Watch out for them chem trails, they're coming to get you!
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Pitney Bowes is in bed with Monsato.
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Newsflash, the world isn't flat.

Good to see thatyou use reverse Osmosis

 

 

 

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That said, I do still love to drink rain water, the taste is much nicer. I'll also drink water out of the tap, and God forbid, from the hose! Bottled water is only expensive tap water. I refuse to buy it unless absolutely necessary)

Well, there's 2 that you don't know about. Do some research

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzz  lol

 

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Pitney Bowes is in bed with Monsato.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz  lol

 

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Newsflash, the world isn't flat.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz  lol  but you have gone flat Smiley Frustrated

 

 

 

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@padi*0409wrote:

@4channelwrote:

@countessalmirena

 

What is important to me as well as many other buyers is to have access to the desired item at a reasonable price. Pitney Bowes GSP has become a barrier to that as we continue to know as a result of the many disgusted buyers who have fallen into the trap or those like myself who refuse to pay $40 post for an item that would cost $10 post. Or when multiple ites are concerned , use our imagination on that inflated price.

 


But it's been pointed out to you many times before that with the US and UK sellers being opted into the GSP by default, you are able to now get those items, whereas in the past many, if not all, of those sellers would not sell overseas.................


Not the case at all. The sellers who have been "opted into the GSP by default", many previously sold to overseas buyers. They just have had this GSP thing thrown over them.

 

Many collectors are being blocked because of GSP by  having to pay quadruple the post amount from sellers, many of whom dealt with O/S buyers previously.

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@4channel wrote:

 

Not the case at all. The sellers who have been "opted into the GSP by default", many previously sold to overseas buyers. They just have had this GSP thing thrown over them.

Many collectors are being blocked because of GSP by  having to pay quadruple the post amount from sellers, many of whom dealt with O/S buyers previously.


that can have a serious upside for you, seriously good that is  . . . . . . . as it should increase the A$ value of your collection.  Think about it, if you can sell an item from your collection for less than what it would cost an Aussie buyer to buy from a USA/UK seller because of the associated GSP cost then you are on a winner (should you choose to sell some of your collection).

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@k1ooo-slr-saleswrote:

@4channel wrote:

 

Not the case at all. The sellers who have been "opted into the GSP by default", many previously sold to overseas buyers. They just have had this GSP thing thrown over them.

Many collectors are being blocked because of GSP by  having to pay quadruple the post amount from sellers, many of whom dealt with O/S buyers previously.


that can have a serious upside for you, seriously good that is  . . . . . . . as it should increase the A$ value of your collection.  Think about it, if you can sell an item from your collection for less than what it would cost an Aussie buyer to buy from a USA/UK seller because of the associated GSP cost then you are on a winner (should you choose to sell some of your collection).


Yes, k1ooo-slr-sales , and being philisophical about this, I have to agree with you on that part.  Having spoken to a guy that runs a secon hand secord shop as well as looking at the situation of dealers in collectable period items, local DVD sellers etc, they are going to have an increase in sales.

And in my collection of things as I do trade and sell  (Haven't on ebay for a while though but will soon), I will have that advantage.

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Yes my purchase from Ebay was said to have been delivered 7th Nov but I never got it. Trying to trace it now.

Ebay was very good, they refunded me but I want to know what has happened to the parcel and why they said it was delivered. Ans why would anyone want to steal it?

 

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