on 20-04-2022 09:01 PM
Hello everyone.
I made a purchase a few weeks ago for an electronic item.
It arrived today. When I opened the satchel, the retail box was saturated with water and almost like mulch. The item was still in good nic. But then I noticed the item was a lot smaller in size than expected. And then I looked at some of the specs on the box, and found it was different to that of the manufacturers website. Then I smelt a rat, and investigated further, and found the item was a fake, or counterfeited brand name. So, I pointed all of this out to the seller. After many eBay messages back and forth, I then get a message saying that they would be happy to refund me a 20% re-imbursement. I agreed to this, as I did not wish to rely on a dodgy seller refunding me in full, if I had to send it back, they would find some excuse to get out of a full refund. So then they processed the refund, but considerably less than 20% as agreed to. I have sent another message off, saying that the amount refunded is not what was agreed to.
How can I dispute my claim of refund with eBay. I do not see any provision for doing so. I dont even know if eBay will intervene. I mean to say, what the seller is doing, is totally wrong and against eBay policy, in selling an item to represent as being a top electronic manufacturer branded name.
Cheers David.
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on 21-04-2022 01:23 PM
Thanks for everyone advice, but I am now doing as one member above "SandyPebbles" suggested and that was to contact eBay customer service. Thats what I shall do, at least there I will find the answer that I need. Thank's again to everyone for your input. Cheers now.
on 21-04-2022 01:37 PM
@amethystelectra26 wrote:.....contact eBay customer service. Thats what I shall do, at least there I will find the answer that I need.
The regular responders here are fully aware of what "answer" you are likely to get from a CS rep who will be reading from a "cheat-sheet", since they are very unlikely to have any real experience of how eBay works.
Anyway you've made your decision, good luck with the outcome.
on 21-04-2022 01:39 PM
For goodness' sake...!
I don't have an agenda here. My only wish is to try to help you; you deserve a full refund if this item is not as described. There is no trap.
I'm not a seller and I'm not trying to out-compete Chinese sellers.
The place of manufacture becomes important if the item is not made under contract to a legitimate and respected company/brand to specifications. THAT is why "unbranded" is a problem, and why Chinese-made (or other-low-wage-country-made) may be a problem.
If an eBay seller is registered in China, they are in China. They are not an Australian business. You have no enforceable warranty in respect of a purchase from them, and Australian Consumer Legislation doesn't apply to them. You're buying from an overseas seller with all of the concomitant risks.
From a previous post in another thread:
@countessalmirena wrote:
I won't buy on the basis of the item being the cheapest. I buy on the basis of best value for money, and part of that value (for me) is that the item be genuine and that I can have confidence that it was made to the brand's specifications, both in manufacturing details and in materials used. This is something I can't over-stress, but it's difficult to convey how important this is. The difference can literally be that between life and death when it comes to electrical goods/electronics, because lower quality components are not fit for purpose. The least that could happen is that the item fails; the worst is that someone dies. Almost as bad is the possibility of fire damage, destruction of connected devices, etc., and the certainty that one's insurance won't cover that.
❝All electrical professionals should be conscious of the law of ‘subrogation’, which enables insurance companies to recoup money they have paid out on insurance claims from other parties who can be identified as being partially or fully responsible for the cause of the claim. So if you knowingly or unknowingly supply, install or specify counterfeit electrical goods that are found to have contributed to an insurance claim (e.g. fire or electrocution) because of being sub-standard or unsafe, you could be held liable for personal damages and possibly face imprisonment.❞ – Does It Comply? an initiative of NECA
I posted a reply on another thread, touching on "just in time fulfillment" among other things. [...]
In another thread, I've explained why "made in China" under contract to a brand is completely different to "made in China" without any quality control, faking capability and quality and brand, with the components not even being fit for purpose.
Raw materials are actually the costliest aspect of manufacturing in China, which is why these factories that churn out unbranded/fake/fraudulent items will skimp on the raw materials for the components. The intention is to make something/sell something that looks - ON THE OUTSIDE - very much like the expensive name-brand quality items that are made under contract and must meet certain standards, but which are revealed as the cheap made-to-fail rubbish they are once you look "under the hood", or try to use the item to the capacity/function/etc which is stated. It may work for a while, but it will not work to the extent or for as long or to the acceptable safety standard that the genuine item which it's imitating will work... and it is a safety hazard. It's a risk. It's not worth it.
In yet another thread, I touch briefly on the Regulatory Compliance Mark. You must be aware of the RCM requirement. I'll quote a bit from that thread here as well:
“There are regulations that apply to the supply of electrical equipment and appliances. The requirements set out in the regulations must be followed. A failure to do so is a criminal offence.”
“Regulations and Standards apply to all electrical equipment sold or offered for supply in Australia. Certain types of equipment are classified as prescribed. These pieces of equipment must go through a certification process which ensures the equipment is compliant to the relevant safety standards before being offered for supply in Australia.”
“Regulatory Compliance Mark (RCM)
Prescribed electrical products must have an RCM on the appliance or an Australian approval number to show that the product has been certified.
This mark is currently recognised by all States and Territories of Australia.”
If all you want to do is get back a few dollars from the seller, go ahead and try to do that.* You might have luck by contact Live Chat. You won't get it by threatening a Chinese-registered seller (if indeed the seller is registered in China) with ACL; they'd simply snigger, particularly if they'd strung you along for long enough that it's now too late for you to open up a claim under eBay's MBG.
However, if I read correctly that you have not negotiated this partial refund through eBay's MBG, you do still have the option to open a claim through PayPal Buyer Protection. If you need any advice initiating that, post here and one of us will be able to walk you through it.
* I'd still be going for a full refund were I you. A partial refund on a fake item...? Not acceptable in my view.
on 21-04-2022 01:40 PM
Exactly as I said, they will give the answer the person calling wants to hear....... rarely what they say is what will really happen
Still, we can only do so much to try to help
At the end of the day, I know I'd rather take advice from people here rather than from someone who has never used eBay and seldom know the actual policies
on 21-04-2022 01:46 PM
@countessalmirena wrote:you do still have the option to open a claim through PayPal Buyer Protection. If you need any advice initiating that, post here and one of us will be able to walk you through it.
But Countess, eBay's CS rep is going to sort out all the OP's problems for them........
on 21-04-2022 01:59 PM
Padi, you're right... *looks down meekly*
The CS rep will tell the OP whatever will get him/her off the chat as quickly as possible, and/or tell the OP exactly what the OP wants to hear, rather than what the OP needs to know.
If you have a glass of something nicely just-so, and I have a glass of something nicely so-so, and sandy and jellybird and domino and papermoon.lady and sons*and*daughters all have a glass of something nicely just-so, and we all raise our glasses at an agreed-upon time this evening, we will toast the efficacy of eBay CS reps with a smack of the lips and perhaps even a yo-ho-ho resounding from our mouths (after we swallow).
21-04-2022 02:02 PM - edited 21-04-2022 02:04 PM
**My question was very plain and simple "How can I dispute my claim of refund with eBay. I do not see any provision for doing so." ???"**
You won't be able to do dispute a "claim of refund" because you never bothered to open a case. There is nothing "formal" - all you have are messages between you and the seller. You also refuse to confirm where the seller is registered, and insist that they are in Australia, just because of the item location.
Also, why would you send back counterfeit goods? And if you were to do so, it would be because the seller has responded to an open case and requested the return AND HAS SENT A SHIPPING LABEL AT THEIR COST. If the seller does not want the goods, they have to refund you. Overseas sellers cannot send shipping labels and have to either send the postage funds upfront, or refund you. This is why I say that a case can be resolved and refunded within a few days.
Counterfeit items do not need to be returned anyway and I'm pretty sure there is an option when you open a case to choose it as a reason.
Why bother coming to the forums for advice? We have a thousand times more experience than any CS rep you might have contact with. They are useless for the most part and will tell you anything they think you want to hear. We have given you sound, practical information, but since you apparently know more than any of us, despite not even following even the most basic dispute steps, all we can do is wish you luck in getting back that extra 5% from a seller of counterfeit goods.
Let us know how it goes.
21-04-2022 02:11 PM - edited 21-04-2022 02:12 PM
@countessalmirena wrote:
If you have a glass of something nicely just-so................
OMG Countess, should I pick the Japanese beer, the expensive Australian Bourbon or one of my collection of very fine locally made fruit Ports (some made with RED fruit)..................??????
on 21-04-2022 02:16 PM
Cheers. 😉
on 21-04-2022 02:17 PM
Did you say "RED"???????
Go with the red.
I've got Cardenal Cisneros Pedro Ximénez gleaming lustrously at me.