@4channel wrote:
Lets cast our minds back to what Renato had to endure. (See the above) It's a well known dishonest trick that some sellers use when they put an item down on a low starting bid to attract bidders and encourahge a bidding war but end up being disappointed. Excuses can range from ... "Os sorry, I dropped the item and it's no good" or ... "I've just discovered it's faulty" or ... "I can't find the damned thing!
@4channel
sorry, but every time you post about how hard done by renato was I feel compelled to reply so that those not familiar with that thread will have a bit more info about that transaction.
There was ample evidence available, at the time, to suggest that the seller was an inexperienced seller who panicked and ended the auction (selling to the high bidder) when they probably intended to just end/cancel the auction when they thought that the camera would not reach a price they would be happy with.
Iโve put one of my posts into the following spoiler because it is a long post (with screengrabs to support the points I made).
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Renato, I apologise for my previous post on this thread.
I took everything you had posted at face value and being the truth when I framed my post. I made the rookie mistake of not looking more closely at all the facts that were available, albeit with a little bit of digging. I am not saying that you havenโt been truthful, but when I looked at your transaction with โfresh eyesโ this morning I have found something that casts your transaction in a new light, and I have some questions. I will only quote from your Opening Post . . . . . . but will refrain from using the โyou statedโ intro to quoted text. Any blue italic text in this post is quoted text from your Opening Post.
Last Friday I had the interesting experience of winning a Nikon 1 J3 mirrorless camera with two lenses at a very good price. I immediately paid for it with Paypal. 19 minutes after the end of the auction, the seller then cancelled the sale, citing the reason as,
" I'm out of stock or the item is damaged".
Plainly she wasn't out of stock, and it strains credulity that she suddenly discovered the camera was found to be damaged within 19 minutes of my winning it. I reported the seller to Ebay.
A couple of questions before proceeding:
- if a case could be put for this seller being inexperienced, are you prepared to consider the possibility that the seller is in fact inexperienced, that they did panic because the auction price was lower than they expected, and they botched the transaction and simply tried to correct their mistake within the limited options eBay make available to sellers?
- by interesting experience, do you mean the win was interesting, or the transaction was interesting?
- is it possible that the selling of the camera to you was an unintended error on the part of the seller?
The seller has 41 feedback since joining in December 2011, showing as 37 due to multiple feedback from a member within a week (thatโs why padi said you have 924 feedback in an earlier post even though your feedback shows as 721). They have 13 selling feedback, with only 1 selling feedback in the last year (your negative). Their last buying feedback was in July 2017, so while they may use eBay they have not been a โregularโ user in the eyes of those of us that use eBay daily.
Now, about your โwinโ. When I looked at your transaction with fresh eyes I found something that you had not mentioned. I will not pass judgement on whether you deemed it irrelevant or you deliberately omitted it to bolster your condemnation of the seller. The spoiler below is a screengrab of the bidding on the camera (I am putting it in a spoiler so that this post does not appear unnecessarily long).
In summary, the 7 day auction started at 18.02 on the 20th, your high bid was placed at 16:54 on the 27th, and the listing ended at 17:52 on the 27th. This indicates to me that the auction did not run its full course. It would have ended at 16:02 if it had. The header at the top of the completed listing is what my fresh eyes were first drawn to.
With 10 minutes left in the auction it is possible that you would not have won the camera at $187. The auction may have gone much higher with last minute, last second and/or snipe bids. Your very good price may only have been achieved because the (inexperienced) seller panicked when they saw that the price was still low with ten minutes to go and they thought it wonโt go higher.
I mean, what do they have to gain by ending the auction early and selling to the current high bidder rather than letting it run full term and then cancel for the reason they gave you if it indeed didnโt reach an expected price?
Two weeks after you โwonโ the camera there are still 10 watchers on that item (source: watchcount completed listings search, see spoiler below). There may have been more at the time the auction was ended, but letโs go with there being 10 at that time. A case could be put that any of those ten would really want that camera seeing as the high bid was still low 24 hours out from scheduled auction end time. Any of those 10 could have outbid you, but we will never know. What we do know is that you got that camera at that price because the seller ended the auction early.
I contend that they mistakenly โsoldโ the camera to you when in fact all they wanted to do was stop the auction from proceeding i.e. they are an inexperienced seller who panicked with ten minutes left on the auction.
I think that if you had included the fact that the seller ended the auction early and sold to (you) the highest bidder you would have got different replies from many members who initially posted while not in possession of all the facts surrounding your transaction
Something else about that thread sticks in my mind. Any poster who didnโt back renatoโs stated position that the seller should be booted off eBay forever was met with the following question โWhy are you on eBay?โ.
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that, and the introduction of the word opine to these boards
