@4channel wrote:
@4channel wrote:
While there's a possibility that some sellers would try the old "must have got lost in the post, ", I think it would be less of an occurrence . Sellers would be more likely to fall into line if they knew they couldn't try the old "Oh, I accidentally dropped it" or the "I just went down the road to get a loaf of bread and someone must have climbed into the window and taken it while I was gone" caper.
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@digital*ghost wrote
Sellers will always be able to do this - because there will always be cases where an item can't be supplied for legitimate reasons, and therefore ebay will always provide an allowance for it.
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Some sellers may do this. But that's why I suggested in a prev post, a 3 strikes and you're out kind of thing. If the behaviour repeats within a certain time then it's a fairly good indicator that something's up!
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@digital*ghost wrote
It even happened to me once - as I've mentioned before, I used to auction clothing. One time I had a really unusual vintage bolero (short jacket) with embroidered patterns. My routine was to list the items to end on a Sunday, clean / wash all of the pre-owned items over the weekend so they'd be super-fresh and ready for shipping on the Monday. Come the day of auction end, I followed what I thought were the washing instructions on the jacket (spoiler alert: I got them wrong).
I ended up completely ruining it, and it was too late to end the auction. I messaged the winning bidder immediately once it ended and told her it had unfortunately been ruined beyond repair and not to make payment. Well, she made payment and didn't seem to believe me - I offered to send photos, and to even send the jacket to her for free if she wanted, and it wasn't until then that she begrudgingly accepted my explanation of what happened.
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An unfortunate accident. When I was selling, I operated in a completely different manner. Any preparations, cleaning, adjustments were done well and truly before the listing. That avoided any unnecessary unforeseen issues and it helped me with grading better as a finished graded product is actual and listed as such. So in short, there are 4 stages as far as I'm concerned.
Choosing item .. .. inspecting item .. .. grading .. .. and then listing item. If item when under inspection needed cleaning then that is done before grading.
Only once did I feel that I had over-graded an item. I had listed it and it was won. So, I was tossing it around in my mind if my grading was up to standard. Looking back now it was ok, but I have always been very strict on myself. In the beginning very much so! Anyway, I threw in a collectable surprise gift.
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@digital*ghost wrote:
There would be many sellers who similarly find themselves in circumstances where they suddenly can not supply the item, but also can not prove why, either immediately or at all (stolen goods for example) - eBay has to balance an allowance for sellers to be subject to circumstances beyond their control (or, in my case, unwise and unwitting decision-making) with buyers screaming for blood when they don't follow-through.
In terms of overall utility, an escape clause does less harm than indiscriminate ban-hammers.
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This is why a 3 strikes and you're out or suspended kind of thing is best. Some rule needs to be enforced. If sellers are allowed to get away with dishonest practices then they will keep on doing so.
One US seller ********* who I have dealt with has a big turnover. This seller is very dishonest, refuses to take responsibility for their mistakes and even tried to get extra money out of me after I had paid for and received a shoddy item. I had to pay for the return out of my own pocket. Thankfully as a one-off gesture, PayPal stepped in and covered it and refunded me. I've dealt with others who are nothing but liars and thieves. And I have dealt with people who are mentally / emotionally incapable, or too immature of rectifying an issue or taking responsibility for cavalier grading. And I have dealt with some of the most decent sellers one could ever hope to.
See 4channel, this is exactly what I was talking about. You could have had some really excellent and helpful information in there, but it will never be read, because it's way too long and difficult to read. Just some friendly advice, that's all.
