Seller Cancels Auction Sale After Item is Paid for. / Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill Part 2.

[ra157]

On 26 Dec 2018, I got a nice auction win on a mini-monocular. I paid for it on Paypal. The seller then immediately caneclled the order on Paypal and refunded my money. I sent a message to the seller asking why, and I got no response. I then complained to Ebay.

Ebay advised that the auction was cancelled at PayPal, and that I should not worry about the extremely annoying "Unpaid Item" that is still listed against the item in My Ebay Summary

I just left a Negative rating.

As per my previous thread of very similar title, I am of the opinion that Ebay should ban sellers that engage in such a practice for life.
Regards,
Renato

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

Spoiler

cheese twisties . . . . . . LOVE EM   

Spoiler

chicken twisties . . . . . . AN ABOMINATION!!!!!!

[chameleon54]

ME TOO !!!

[countessalmirena]

k1000, I'm with you. Cheese all the way!

Hello, !

[digital*ghost]

Thanks - unrelated and possibly pointless anecdote, as a kid, I used to deep-freeze cheese twisties, for some reason I thought it made them 10x better   (NB: it does not work if you just put them in a normal freezer, they have to be actually frozen, not just really cold  ). 

I have to be in a very specific mood for them, but I like chicken twisties, occasionally. 

I won't be going the distance in this one, though, gunna take them snacks and run, lol. 

[ra157]

---

@digital*ghost wrote:

---

@ra157 wrote:

---

So is what you are in effect saying, that the title of my thread is 100% correct?
If so, I can't argue with that.

---

Lol, do you have a lot of imaginary arguments in the shower?

To answer your question - No. 

I said exactly what I wrote, and made no reference to your title, nor provided any opinion whatsoever as to whether I thought it was correct. 

---

Hi again,
           You said
"most of them have extensive T&Cs which include a right to withdraw from a sale, which retailers in general have, under certain conditions, even if not made an explicit term of sale."

           I said 
"Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill"

So, despite what you said, you do not believe that bargains depend entirely on goodwill?
Even though the seller, as you say, can withdraw from the sale? With impunity.

Well, I guess we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe.
Cheers,
Renato

[ra157]

---

@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

---

---

Renato, happy new year! Hope you have a trouble free year on eBay in 2019.

Still, I opine that if the policy I suggested was implemented, it would pretty much solve the problem.

I can’t see that banning a seller for life for cancelling would work or solve the problem.  There are so many variables, including the ability of a banned seller to simply start up another ID with a clean 100% feedback rating by buying some cheap freepost widgets from China before listing items again.  Then, your negative feedback wouldn’t do anything to warn others about a bad seller.

Spoiler

and please, just take my reply at face value, don’t read things into it or suggest that I am saying something I am not.

Spoiler

Things I have not said or believe:
- it is okay for a seller to cancel an item for no good reason
- sellers should not be sanctioned for bad behaviour
- I do not agree with eBay policy
- I agree with the thread title

Thanks. I see you point.

But i was thinking of a proper real ban, not one where one just simply changes ID and starts all over again with only the minor inconvenienece of starting from zero feedback.

Someone in Ebay and Paypal knows the actual identity of the person (unless they have bank accounts and credit cards with different names), and the actual identity could be used as the basis of the ban.
Regards,
Renato

---

[digital*ghost]

---

@ra157 wrote:

Hi again,
           You said
"most of them have extensive T&Cs which include a right to withdraw from a sale, which retailers in general have, under certain conditions, even if not made an explicit term of sale."

           I said 
"Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill"

So, despite what you said, you do not believe that bargains depend entirely on goodwill?
Even though the seller, as you say, can withdraw from the sale? With impunity.

Well, I guess we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe.
Cheers,
Renato

---

Based on what you said, I understand that to mean you have never once taken something that someone has said or written literally, or at face value, and instead ascribed your own personal interpretation to it so that you can further your current goal, which is always A) to argue your point, or B) to conclude it confirms you're correct or in the right, or C) deride / dismiss what the person has said enitrely.

Ah well, we all have the right to do what makes us feel better (I'd include some disclaimers here, but I don't think they'd do any good - feel free to interpret the preceding sentence into an absurd absolute).

Have a good one - day, discussion, life, whatever, take your pick. I'm out. 🙂  

[*tippy*toes*]

It is so easy in this day and age to get around eBay bans. I know of several people here who have done just that and are selling very successfully again. I won't say how it's done because I don't want to give people ideas, who shouldn't ever sell again.

Yes, it sucks to have to start with 0 feedback again, but when you are successful, it doesn't take long for feedback to start building up again.

There is no way eBay is going to ban a seller for backing out of one auction. No matter how many big words you use, or how many times you try to twist what people say.

Spoiler

No, I am not one of those who had to start from scratch again, but I do know how getting around bans works.

Spoiler

You have to be diligent and keep your wits about you.

Spoiler

That's all I'm going to say about that.

[collect247]

G'Day 

And wow that was a very long holiday that Renato took lol

[ra157]

---

@digital*ghost wrote:

---

@ra157 wrote:

Hi again,
           You said
"most of them have extensive T&Cs which include a right to withdraw from a sale, which retailers in general have, under certain conditions, even if not made an explicit term of sale."

           I said 
"Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill"

So, despite what you said, you do not believe that bargains depend entirely on goodwill?
Even though the seller, as you say, can withdraw from the sale? With impunity.

Well, I guess we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe.
Cheers,
Renato

---

Based on what you said, I understand that to mean you have never once taken something that someone has said or written literally, or at face value, and instead ascribed your own personal interpretation to it so that you can further your current goal, which is always A) to argue your point, or B) to conclude it confirms you're correct or in the right, or C) deride / dismiss what the person has said enitrely.

Ah well, we all have the right to do what makes us feel better (I'd include some disclaimers here, but I don't think they'd do any good - feel free to interpret the preceding sentence into an absurd absolute).

Have a good one - day, discussion, life, whatever, take your pick. I'm out. 🙂  

---

If a person responds to my thread, I think it a reasonable assumption that the person has something to say about what I posted - that he or she either agreed or disagreed - or maybe just wants to chat without offering any opinion whatsoever. 

You seem to think that there is something wrong with my analyzing what was written in the response and either drawing a conclusion or seeking clarification. 

I note that you have not provided the clarification I sought, so that I have no idea what you actually meant to say in your post as it related to my original post.
Regards,
Renato