Seller failed to deliver.

[audistarelectronics]

Hi all, bid and won an item yesterday, fair and square, paid by Paypal, next thing I get a cancellation request from the seller, wanting to cancel, as I failed to pay by bank deposit. He does not have card facilities, he claims just bank deposit or nothing, yet when I confirmed the listing, Ebay has it that he does accept Paypal, but he I found he does not have a Paypal account, which by the rules he must have, or at least a card facility. So, I go in and check my Paypal payment, and yes, he doesn't have an account, as it was marked that the buyer hasn't claimed the payment. I realized this was going nowhere, so I just cancelled the payment within Paypal. He got what he wanted, for the sale to be cancelled, doing so, wasting my time. After the auction ended I got an abusive message from him about demanding bank deposit, not Paypal, and said he would just 'keep the item''. I asked why he wanted bank deposit only, was it that the item, a model train, was defective, even though he listed it as ''used, but new'', whatever that means. I told him that buyers like to have a bit of protection from seelers such as him, and bank deposit leaves us buyers out in the cold when things go belly up. Anyway, the best part to this little event is this: He had another listing to ''go off' later last night, I got straight in before that and put a torpedo right into his dashboard. The item had 12 bids on it and was sitting at $165, an hour before it was due to end. It ended with the same bidder and didn't get past the $165. The winning bidder was a low score buyer that has had many bid cancellations in the last 6 months. I feel much better about this wasted  time now lol

[audistarelectronics]

The bids I placed on the second item were placed long before the issue with the first one, so I let the auction go and pulled out straight away. I believe in giving low score sellers a bit of a go if it;s something I'm after, but only one go, mess up and that's the end.

[11dustyattic]

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@audistarelectronics wrote:

The bids I placed on the second item were placed long before the issue with the first one, so I let the auction go and pulled out straight away. I believe in giving low score sellers a bit of a go if it;s something I'm after, but only one go, mess up and that's the end.

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Well thanks for the heads up. Definitely dodgy, the feedback left is similar to a recent scammer I lost out to, mostly negative comments left, just way too much bad luck, the positive comments however all said the same thing, very fair or understanding seller, obviously partial refunds. Sometimes we have to read between the lines. But thank you, another one for my special list. It must be nearly full by now 😁

[justkidzbiz]

You can report the seller for refusing to accept PayPal payments

[springyzone]

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@audistarelectronics wrote:

Hi all, bid and won an item yesterday, fair and square, paid by Paypal, next thing I get a cancellation request from the seller, wanting to cancel, as I failed to pay by bank deposit. He does not have card facilities, he claims just bank deposit or nothing, yet when I confirmed the listing, Ebay has it that he does accept Paypal, but he I found he does not have a Paypal account, which by the rules he must have, or at least a card facility. So, I go in and check my Paypal payment, and yes, he doesn't have an account, as it was marked that the buyer hasn't claimed the payment. I realized this was going nowhere, so I just cancelled the payment within Paypal. He got what he wanted, for the sale to be cancelled, doing so, wasting my time. After the auction ended I got an abusive message from him about demanding bank deposit, not Paypal, and said he would just 'keep the item''. I asked why he wanted bank deposit only, was it that the item, a model train, was defective, even though he listed it as ''used, but new'', whatever that means. I told him that buyers like to have a bit of protection from seelers such as him, and bank deposit leaves us buyers out in the cold when things go belly up. Anyway, the best part to this little event is this: He had another listing to ''go off' later last night, I got straight in before that and put a torpedo right into his dashboard. The item had 12 bids on it and was sitting at $165, an hour before it was due to end. It ended with the same bidder and didn't get past the $165. The winning bidder was a low score buyer that has had many bid cancellations in the last 6 months. I feel much better about this wasted  time now lol

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Firstly, congratulations on the feedback. Factual & detailed, exactly the sort of thing that is useful for other buyers to know.

It looks to me to be a seller without much experience but all the same, it is dodgy to insist on only bank deposit, it is exactly how a buyer could get scammed. Not safe at all. I'd be very annoyed too if I were a buyer. Not only does he claim to have paypal but then tries to push you into paying in an unsafe way. Report him.

I'm a bit over sellers like that. I don't really care how 'new' they are. They can learn the ropes a bit before they sell. It isn't rocket science to discover that buyers have to be offered a safe way to pay & it isn't that hard to open a paypal account. If a seller can't spend 5 minutes to read up on how to sell on ebay, they deserve to cop some of the flak. I have sympathy for some of the traps new sellers can fall into but this isn't one of those cases. It's a major breach.

[tazzieterror]

This seller has been very naughty!

The completed listings below all had a common, 11-feedback score bidder, with 100% of their bids on items from this seller, 7 bid retractions in the last 30 days, and 24 bid retractions in the last 6 months.

All the listings this "buyer" has won have ended up relisted (indicated), and several of the others were also relisted despite having what appears to be legitimate winners - probably buyers who wisely refused to pay by bank transfer.

They've got a few more listings ending on Sunday - I might set a reminder and watch to see if this bidder makes another apearance!

Spoiler

153909663572

153903804369 

153900582182 

153903421397 won, relisted

153904589564 won, relisted

153904578419 

153894453776 won, relisted

153893427699 

153893056478 

153893019216 won, relisted

153883957320 won, relisted

153882536311 won, relisted

153882535609 

153882534651 won, relisted

153829675354 

153813889770 

153813879949 won, relisted

To help with your copy/paste: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/

[11dustyattic]

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@tazzieterror wrote:

This seller has been very naughty!

The completed listings below all had a common, 11-feedback score bidder, with 100% of their bids on items from this seller, 7 bid retractions in the last 30 days, and 24 bid retractions in the last 6 months.

All the listings this "buyer" has won have ended up relisted (indicated), and several of the others were also relisted despite having what appears to be legitimate winners - probably buyers who wisely refused to pay by bank transfer.

They've got a few more listings ending on Sunday - I might set a reminder and watch to see if this bidder makes another apearance!

Spoiler

153909663572

153903804369 

153900582182 

153903421397 won, relisted

153904589564 won, relisted

153904578419 

153894453776 won, relisted

153893427699 

153893056478 

153893019216 won, relisted

153883957320 won, relisted

153882536311 won, relisted

153882535609 

153882534651 won, relisted

153829675354 

153813889770 

153813879949 won, relisted

To help with your copy/paste: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/

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So they're shill bidding to push the prices up, bad enough on it's own, but then demanding bank transfer. They should be reported. Nice work there with your observations 👍

[tazzieterror]

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@11dustyattic wrote:

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So they're shill bidding to push the prices up, bad enough on it's own, but then demanding bank transfer. They should be reported. Nice work there with your observations 👍

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Reported? Honestly, I've given up on reporting shills - eBay. Simply. Do. Not. Care.

eBay claim they have tools and systems in place to detect and prevent shills, but after everything thing I've observed over the years I've concluded that eBay do not want to catch shills.

Consider the seller in question here. I've listed 17 auctions where the shill acount has been used, and in 8 of those, the shill acount won, and the item has been relisted.  The few were I checked were relisted pretty soon after ending - much too soon for an exchange of messages to arrange a canellation or for a seller waiting to be contacted or paid as might happen with a real non-paying bidder. There are no messages sent between the seller and shill accounts.

And 8 times! You'd block the buyer after noticing they were bidding again after the first non-payment.

My point is, there is a rich data set available to eBay when shill bidding is as blatent as this - it really doesn't get any easier to pick up clues and flag transactions for review, than this. eBay, Amazon, google etc, are all about data analysis - it's why you get served up particular ads, or particular best-match listings when you search for something on these platforms. And this is before even considering other tell-tale clues, such as IP addresses, common user information between acocunts.

eBay is constantly crunching data; working what to show who, to squueze out those extra few cents or dollars of commission. It would be absolute child's play -- quite literally, a high-school IT student could come up with the algorithm, if not the code -- to detect the kind of shill bidding on display here.

They don't detect it, because they do not want to know about it. It's as clear-cut as that.

[audistarelectronics]

Hi people, good detective work happening here, I think this bloke needs a nice little shove out the Ebay door. I believe as the buyer, I can still report him, even after I cancelled the payment that he wouldn't accept? No too sure where on the site that facility is though, any directions and I will sure make it happen.

[tazzieterror]

There's a 'Report item' button displayed on every listing, where you choose drop down boxes to indicate the reason you're reporting, or you can do it through eBay's customer support chat line.

I'd always try to use the chat option so I could walk the CSR through it with questions like, "why would a seller let the same person buy and then NOT pay EIGHT TIMES???", or even better, "check if any payment was ever made by the seller, or any messages exchanged between the accounts...NO!? Well isn't that a surprise..."

And FYI, both the item that you bought, and the other listing you "torpedoed" were receiving bids from the shill account. 

[11dustyattic]

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@tazzieterror wrote:

There's a 'Report item' button displayed on every listing, where you choose drop down boxes to indicate the reason you're reporting, or you can do it through eBay's customer support chat line.

I'd always try to use the chat option so I could walk the CSR through it with questions like, "why would a seller let the same person buy and then NOT pay EIGHT TIMES???", or even better, "check if any payment was ever made by the seller, or any messages exchanged between the accounts...NO!? Well isn't that a surprise..."

And FYI, both the item that you bought, and the other listing you "torpedoed" were receiving bids from the shill account. 

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That's such a low act from the seller. All those people bidding are actually bidding against him!! Surely if enough people report and then follow up, they would have to get rid of him? Problem is atm they are so difficult to contact. People like that make me so angry because buyers are left suspicious of all sellers