on 09-05-2018 01:25 PM - last edited on 09-05-2018 05:55 PM by gewens
2. Seller deliberately entered a fake Tracking Number (UA146569825AU) on eBay.
3. On 18 April 2018, the Seller deliberately provided a fraudulent return postage label via eBay, included fake Tracking, wrong seller address, "Value of goods" too low (about 27%), and wrong Description of Goods "Face cram".
4. On 19 April 2018, the Seller violated the eBay policies, and twice demanded me (the buyer) to pay for the return shipping fees for the fake Shiseido face cream.
5. On 23 April 2018, eBay demanded me to send the item back to the Seller before 25 Apr 2018.
6. On 3 May 2018, Seller refused to refund the return shipping fee, after received the item I returned.
on 09-05-2018 01:57 PM
For some one who is apparently a wizz on policies, Then you are obviously aware that this is a public forum, not ebay, and you have breached the rules by naming the seller, which could amount to defamation leaving both yourself and the forum owners liable. I am
sure a moderator will be along shortly to correct your error. As for the rest of your rant, Fake goods, fake tracking numbers, fake
return post label, fake address, and you are still told by ebay to return the goods, just perhaps you dont know what you are doing.
on 09-05-2018 02:02 PM
Interesting to note ebay demanded the goods be mailed back to the seller
I thought it was against the law to mail back counterfeit items
on 09-05-2018 02:34 PM
How did you expect the seller to provide a return postage label when they are in the USA? That is a service for Australian sellers who use Australia Post.
If you had written confirmation of the item being a fake from an authorised reseller or agent for the item you would not have had to return the item.
on 09-05-2018 05:51 PM
@enigmabear wrote:Interesting to note ebay demanded the goods be mailed back to the seller
I thought it was against the law to mail back counterfeit items
Touche. ( French for froot loops). The most probable explanation for the discrepancy in value, imported into Australia Declared value is in $AU, whilst sending back to USA is declared as $US, so about 27% sounds right. If ebay told OP to send the item back and did not state it would be at the sellers cost, then OP is liable for the return post and possibly original post as well. I had one
recently where buyer claimed not as described, ebay agreed that item was exactly as described and advised buyer that they could
return the item at their cost for a refund of item price only, buyer then decided to keep the item
on 09-05-2018 06:20 PM
@maryxian89,
At any rate, it's apparent that you are very upset and perhaps as a result of that, you haven't used eBay's Money Back Guarantee in the most effective way.
I think your best approach now is to contact eBay. eBay's "Have us call you" option is by far the best way to get in touch with eBay. (Emails are useless, for a number of reasons, but primarily because the responses, when they are finally sent, are bot-generated.)
eBay say: We'll call you at the phone number registered to your account, or you can enter a different number.
We’re available from 8am to 10pm AET, 7 days a week.
Explain what has happened. Be calm and polite, and have your facts at hand. You've got the dates ready - which is good. Avoid saying things like "deliberately" and "violated" and "demanded". You're much better off saying "I wasn't sure that it was actually a real tracking number because I could not track it on the Australia Post website"... and "I was under the impression, as per the eBay Money Back Guarantee, that the seller would pay for the return shipping cost". (Quote the relevant bit from the policy.) Say "As you can see in the seller's communications, they wanted me to pay for the return shipping".
Basically, take emotion out of it. Speak with the utmost politeness, quote eBay policy, keep a record of the eBay rep's name and the time and date, be co-operative, and perhaps you will see a good outcome.
on 09-05-2018 07:16 PM
Plenty good points in there countess, just one major problem, as it is an International transaction, the dispute will be handled via
ebay US, and OP will find that even going through ebay AU, Ebay US resolution center is not contactable by the general public and
Ebay AU states they have no contact details available, They do not have Chat capabilities and email address that may be provided via ebay AU will result in error messages or Bot reply stating messages to this address are not read, etc. As the OP states
that they were advised by ebay to return the item, then it would appear the matter has been resolved in the sellers favour, if so OP
can appeal, but as the item is now with the seller and an appeal will consist only of a review of the initial information supplied, the OP is likely to have little chance of winning.
on 09-05-2018 08:05 PM
@maryxian89 wrote:
- On 4 April 2018, the Seller (located in USA) sold a fake Shiseido face cream at US$79.94 to me on eBay.
2. Seller deliberately entered a fake Tracking Number (UA146569825AU) on eBay.
3. On 18 April 2018, the Seller deliberately provided a fraudulent return postage label via eBay, included fake Tracking, wrong seller address, "Value of goods" too low (about 27%), and wrong Description of Goods "Face cram".
4. On 19 April 2018, the Seller violated the eBay policies, and twice demanded me (the buyer) to pay for the return shipping fees for the fake Shiseido face cream.
5. On 23 April 2018, eBay demanded me to send the item back to the Seller before 25 Apr 2018.
6. On 3 May 2018, Seller refused to refund the return shipping fee, after received the item I returned.
Just for the hell of it, I thought I might dig a little deeper. Oh No!
Seller does not only have an ebay store, but appears to also have 13 seperate B&M stores
The seller lists all brands they sell, including some 130 various shiseido items.
Somehow I think the seller and their product just might be genuine, hence the OP being told by ebay to return the item.
09-05-2018 09:08 PM - edited 09-05-2018 09:10 PM
Are you sure about that? (I'm just a little puzzled as I can't see any B&M stores that this seller has.)
They're not a huge seller... 650 feedback... and about half of the feedback is as a buyer.
Judging by the feedback, this seller may sell genuine items, but I'd personally not risk buying Chanel stylo yeux at USD $6 less than retail price.
Hmm... if the buyer bought through eBay.com.au, would not the policies of eBay.com.au hold true? Or is it that the policies of the site on which the seller listed apply?
Ah - found the relevant link.
"When a seller lists an item for sale with an international shipping option (such as worldwide shipping), it may result in the item being sold to a buyer on an eBay site other than the seller's original listing site. A buyer is covered by the applicable eBay Money Back Guarantee or similar buyer protection policy of the eBay site where checkout occurred."
The Money Back Guarantee page on eBay.com (the link above) is clear on this, although the Australian help page covering the Money Back Guarantee doesn't refer to it.
Based on that, the buyer is covered by eBay.com.au's buyer protection, not eBay.com's... unless the buyer purchased while on eBay.com.
09-05-2018 09:43 PM - edited 09-05-2018 09:48 PM
Yep followed the connectors, 13 B&M stores. Note, I have absolutely nothing to do with cosmetics, but even I know of some of the
brands that are listed, so I am presuming it is not cheap **bleep**. If you are running 13 stores, you must have a bit of buying power, so selling below retail is what it is all about
If it is an International transaction, disputes are handled via ebay US, does not matter what site item was listed on or bought
through, and the US resolution center is a law unto themselves. Ebay AU has no say whatsoever. and as stated can not even
provide any working contact information