WARNING! Possibly CARCINOGENIC Aluminium Silicate insulation being sold on ebay as safe!

[shadytreeprojects]

Everywhere wherever I read online I found that when I searched under the term of "aluminium silicate" was deemed non-carcinogenic. However what I didn't realize at the time and after buying the substance, and installing it in my car without breathing protection. and need I remind everyone that the seller didn't provide an MSDS sheet either. I realised that this substance is scheduled as a class 1B carcinogen.

I am now hoping that I don't develop lung cancer and I'm going to notify ebay of the seller just before posting this message.

Alumino silicate wool (ASW) is the same thing as aluminium silicate.

Why didn't I pick up on it sooner? the wikipedia page for aluminium silicate says nothing about its carcinogenic abilities, you have to dig a little deeper into the knowledge of the substance by doing a google search of "Aluminium silicate composite materials" to know that it is the same thing as ASW, and when you look up ASW and the EU rating of it, then and only then do you realise that its carcinogenic class 1B.

Look up "aluminium silicate wool" on wikipedia.

Then lookup "mineral wool" and skip down to "Types".

Then type into your browsers address bar: "imgur dot com forward slash a fwdslash YdDvo9h"

Then type into your browsers address bar: "imgur dot com forward slash a fwdslash y3JE2kG"

I must say for the record that developing cancer has put a rather dim view on buying things off of ebay in the future. I guess I had better keep my hopes up.

[4channel]

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@shadytreeprojects wrote:

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OP claims they WILL get cancer!!

YOU claimed that there is a lot of research that shows that Alzheimer’s causes excess buildup of aluminium in the brain...... NOT  TRUE! 

You’ve  jumped on my one sentence about aluminium research in regards to Alzheimer’s disease and turned it into a full on rant ...... 

seriously,  walk away...... you’ve lost the plot here...... 

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Said yes but REDACTED. What I said was I'm "100% certain i'm going to get cancer" because I inhaled the dust from the aluminium silicate. But I requested the forum moderators to remove the offending words but it hasn't been removed. So I've redacted that statement and therefore the onus is on the moderators to remove the statement, not me. Don't put words in my mouth that I've redacted.

From now on if the thread is going to go anywhere it should be made clear that I don't think I'm going to get cancer out of the several times that I was in the car with the mats. What I will say however is that it was a close shot and time will tell if I do or not. That I've cleaned up the entire interior of the car with mineral spirits and a brush and paper towels and baby wipes and that I've worn a respirator while doing so.

Should also be stated for the record that I've told the ebay seller of the product about the product being carcinogenic and it took a few select words, not many words mind you, to get the point across. and they've said that they will look into the matter. I suspect that the seller is using a translator. But the important thing is that I've informed the seller, I've made plans to safely dispose of the waste and the car is cleaned again.

The only thing left for this thread is to be either closed or remain as a warning towards others about MSDS sheets and HK sellers.

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Hi shadytreeprojects, I just want to say that I applaud your bringing this to our attention. We need more of this! We live in a time where we the people are denied info that could aid in our betterment. Anyone with common sense would know why!

After reading your ordeal and with what you've had endure, I am now warned and I'll make sure, doubly  ....... no triply sure that I'll avoid any such products that may cause harm to myself and others around me.

Thanks.

[springyzone]

I have to admit, 4channel, that one thing that I have learnt from the boards and a lot of the posts we have seen from people, is that you have to be wary with exactly what you buy from online sites and especially from China.

I know a lot of things in this country are already made there but presumably have to go through some sort of customs/Australian standards tests before being imported, whereas I think a few unsafe things slip through with direct buying on sites like ebay.

[janeababe]

@countess

thank you for your detailed opinion on what everybody has apparently interpreted and thought in regards to digital ghosts absurd statement that Alzheimer’s Disease causes the excess aluminium, not that aluminium causes or contributes to Alzheimer’s disease.

I was also wondering why you then followed your post (equivalent to vol 1) with a few links that relate to study on rats 🤔

When I research such statements, as that of digi’s, I look for information based on human studies. Rats are important in these studies/trials, yes, but it’s hardly a no-brainer is it. 

But thank you. No, honestly, thank you! (Insert smug eye roll HERE) 

I have tried every which way possible to find any info to back up digi’s statement.  I do like to be updated on these studies, and if it’s out there, then I like to read about it. But I didn’t find one link, not one journal written on it.... heck, I even highlighted her whole quote and searched for that! Zilch! 

May I now edge you both towards a BIG study on HUMANS over 20 years (to which 8 years was dedicated to the affects of aluminium and Alzheimer’s Disease) where 3770 humans aged 65+ were studied and CONCLUSIVE evidence showed more than just a link, but a ‘finding’ of the correlation. 

We already know that aluminium is toxic to the brain, which Digi mentioned in regards to dialysis patients, this is true. Interestingly enough, the last reported dialysis case was in 1992.... thank goodness, wouldn’t you agree.

....and the last reported aluminium  toxicosis  (worldwide)  occurred in 2001. Not even related to dialysis but by a cement mortar water distribution pipe. 

So, if either of you would like to read some real research on this matter, look up PAQUID study: The relationship between aluminium and Alzheimer’s disease. 

Now, it’s a bit technical in nature, but I hope it will prove of use *wink wink* 

[countessalmirena]

@janebabe,

I'm truly sorry if my post appeared condescending; it wasn't intended to be. If I don't warn about links couched in specialist terms, I run the risk of the average layperson doing far more of an eye roll than you (and thenceforth never clicking any link I post on the grounds that it will be sure to be impenetrable. Anyone with specialist knowledge can ignore my warning as it doesn't apply to them. It's certainly not a put-down, and I am sorry that you have apparently taken it that way.

I'm well aware of the cohort study you've mentioned. Some of the follow-up in 2008/2009 still qualifies its conclusions and points to inevitable lacks of controls although, like you, I find the results significant. It does not however definitively establish a causal link, although the results are certainly suggestive. It could well be that Al is a causal agent of the disease; it may be that Al is involved in the development of the disease: further studies are ongoing, and as I said earlier, I have every confidence in a clear outcome in the (probably near) future.

I share your concern about the root causes of Alzheimer's and dementia and cognitive decline. It's such an important field where our knowledge of triggers and pathways has got to be established so that preventatives and treatments will be certain and sure.

(For the record, the links I chose on the basis of being among the most recent studies looking at potential methods of reversal in Al-neurotoxicity-induced Alzheimer's.)

With regard to your comment about the "volume", you've got me dead to rights and I plead guilty to scrollerism.

[maranock]

I am not sure you understand that aluminium is one of the most common elements on earth, it is in the air you breathe, everything you touch, and eat. You can't escape it and the human body is good at ridding it self of excess aluminium.

The link between alzheimers and aluminium is not because of injestion, it is like the link between calcium and gall stones - a bodily function error where the body takes that element and uses it in the wrong way. Not ingesting calcium does not stop stones as the body just draws it from the bones instead. Corelation is not causation but you are trying to imply that it does in this case.

[4channel]

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@maranock wrote:

I am not sure you understand that aluminium is one of the most common elements on earth, it is in the air you breathe, everything you touch, and eat. You can't escape it and the human body is good at ridding it self of excess aluminium.

The link between alzheimers and aluminium is not because of injestion, it is like the link between calcium and gall stones - a bodily function error where the body takes that element and uses it in the wrong way. Not ingesting calcium does not stop stones as the body just draws it from the bones instead. Corelation is not causation but you are trying to imply that it does in this case.

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Where aluminium occurs naturally as it has since the time of creation, humans have been able to deal with it at that level. It, like anything else will find its way into parts of the human body where it will accumulate. The body can only get rid of so much toxins at a time. Through the various ways it can find its way into the body (Vaccines are one), it can build up and cause lasting problems. Damage to the brain is one. Because we seldom get to hear the real truth about certain things in themedia, we'll never get the real truth about the relationship between underarm deodorants and breast cancer, as well as problems caused to the lymphatic system.

[4channel]

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@springyzone wrote:

I have to admit, 4channel, that one thing that I have learnt from the boards and a lot of the posts we have seen from people, is that you have to be wary with exactly what you buy from online sites and especially from China.

I know a lot of things in this country are already made there but presumably have to go through some sort of customs/Australian standards tests before being imported, whereas I think a few unsafe things slip through with direct buying on sites like ebay.

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Yeah, very true and good point about unsafe things coming through. Obviously this thread is an example of it. Well springyzone, I am going to avoid where I can, buying certain items from China, guided by the same observations (more than mine) you've made over a period of time..

[janeababe]

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@maranock wrote:

I am not sure you understand that aluminium is one of the most common elements on earth, it is in the air you breathe, everything you touch, and eat. You can't escape it and the human body is good at ridding it self of excess aluminium.

The link between alzheimers and aluminium is not because of injestion, it is like the link between calcium and gall stones - a bodily function error where the body takes that element and uses it in the wrong way. Not ingesting calcium does not stop stones as the body just draws it from the bones instead. Corelation is not causation but you are trying to imply that it does in this case 

Why do you think I don’t understand this? Your condescension is wasted on me, maranock, but your little c&p response is eye roll worthy that’s for sure! 

Obviously, you know very little about the effects of ageing with regards to the body systems  NOR  the progressives of AD.

its not about, and never has been about consumption, but rather it’s absorption & elimination within  the body. 

The  ageing body has a decreased effectiveness of the body systems (they don’t function as well anymore) AND  therefore chemicals, minerals, and toxins tend to build up over time in the elderly person body, more so if that person is (1) over the age of 80 and (2) lives a rather sedentary life! 

Eliminating these elements from the body is not as effective and therefore they remain and build up,  in the body system. The two main excretion methods for aluminium from the body is via urination and sweating! Both of these actions decrease dramatically in a person over 80, and in fact, sweating is almost non-existent in a body of that age. (Rare for an 80+ to sweat) and they drink less, so urinate less too. 

This is one of the factors that has researchers vying towards aluminium toxicosis being a possible risk to the development of AD. 

That being said.... for every journal you can find to say there’s no link, I can find one to say there is! So we could (I’m not going to, but we could) debate this until the cows come home. 

Anyway, at the end of the day, you do you, your way, I’ll do mine my way and we can all sit down to a feed of digi’s potatoes and bacon. 😉😉😉

[*tippy*toes*]

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@4channel wrote:

Where aluminium occurs naturally as it has since the time of creation, humans have been able to deal with it at that level. It, like anything else will find its way into parts of the human body where it will accumulate. The body can only get rid of so much toxins at a time. Through the various ways it can find its way into the body (Vaccines are one), it can build up and cause lasting problems. Damage to the brain is one. Because we seldom get to hear the real truth about certain things in themedia, we'll never get the real truth about the relationship between underarm deodorants and breast cancer, as well as problems caused to the lymphatic system.

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Awww, 4channel sweetie, that email scare tactic hoax was debunked nearly 20 years ago. It was nothing more than another of those "send to everyone you know, I'd rather get it 25 times than not at all" emails. There were so many going around at the time, it actually got ridiculous. These days the same hoaxes get sent via social media rather than email. You forgot to mention the one about how using deoderant after shaving your armpits causes breast cancer too. That one did the rounds for years!

The sad thing is, that like the vaccines causing autism hoax, because it's been on the internet, it must be true and people latch on and won't let go. Regardless of how much evidence there is to prove otherwise. They will keep searching until they can find any info at all to back them up, completely dismissing all the scientific evidence. Me, I'd rather believe science than some back yard witch doctor. It doesn't matter what your belief is, you will be able to find websites that agree with you.

If you are concerned about deoderants causing breast cancer, use a saline spray, or a saline stick. They work great. If you practice good personal hygiene, most people don't even need a deoderant (of course there is that small percentage of the population that stink regardless of how much they wash). I rarely use it these days. I have a can in my locker in case I have a really sweaty day and I start to get paranoid, but that's about it. 

[4channel]

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

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@4channel wrote:

Where aluminium occurs naturally as it has since the time of creation, humans have been able to deal with it at that level. It, like anything else will find its way into parts of the human body where it will accumulate. The body can only get rid of so much toxins at a time. Through the various ways it can find its way into the body (Vaccines are one), it can build up and cause lasting problems. Damage to the brain is one. Because we seldom get to hear the real truth about certain things in themedia, we'll never get the real truth about the relationship between underarm deodorants and breast cancer, as well as problems caused to the lymphatic system.

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Awww, 4channel sweetie, that email scare tactic hoax was debunked nearly 20 years ago. It was nothing more than another of those "send to everyone you know, I'd rather get it 25 times than not at all" emails. There were so many going around at the time, it actually got ridiculous. These days the same hoaxes get sent via social media rather than email. You forgot to mention the one about how using deoderant after shaving your armpits causes breast cancer too. That one did the rounds for years!

The sad thing is, that like the vaccines causing autism hoax, because it's been on the internet, it must be true and people latch on and won't let go. Regardless of how much evidence there is to prove otherwise. They will keep searching until they can find any info at all to back them up, completely dismissing all the scientific evidence. Me, I'd rather believe science than some back yard witch doctor. It doesn't matter what your belief is, you will be able to find websites that agree with you.

If you are concerned about deoderants causing breast cancer, use a saline spray, or a saline stick. They work great. If you practice good personal hygiene, most people don't even need a deoderant (of course there is that small percentage of the population that stink regardless of how much they wash). I rarely use it these days. I have a can in my locker in case I have a really sweaty day and I start to get paranoid, but that's about it. 

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Hmmmm loading the words aluminium deodorant cancer into the Bing search field brings up the below,

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https://www.bing.com/search?q=aluminium+deodorant+cancer&qs=AS&pq=aluminium+deo&sk=AS1&sc=7-13&cvid=...

Deodorants and breast cancer-cancer myth - Cancer Council ...

www.cancerwa.asn.au › … › Cancer myths and controversies

• ORIGIN OF THE MYTH

• The myth that deodorant causes cancer has been circulated via emails, on websites, and even in newspapers. The story varies from source to source, but contains some or all of the following elements: 1. Aluminium-containing antiperspirants prevent toxins from being expelled by the body. These toxins clog up lymph nodes around the armpits and breasts and cause breast cancer. 2. The aluminium in deodorants is absorbed by the skin. It affects the blood brain barrier and has been linked with the o...

See more on cancerwa.asn.au

https://www.cancerwa.asn.au/resources/cancermyths/deodorants-breast-myth/

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Now Tipty-Toe schweatie, did you get your info from there ?  

Personally I get my info from sources that are not related to the industry!

A little question for you.

* If everybody was well, what industry would go out of business?

FYI

Are Aluminum-Containing Antiperspirants Contributing To Breast Cancer In Women

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/17/aluminum-containing-antiperspirants-c...