on โ10-12-2023 10:53 AM
I am amazed at the number of "branded" counterfeit items eBay allows to be listed. Twice I've received branded items that were bluntly counterfeits. The last item was a Toshiba-branded 2.5" external HDD listed as "Toshiba Mechanics Drive". The item arrived in what appeared to be a genuine Toshiba case but what was inside was shocking! It contained an unbranded memory stick and a steel bolt as a weight to camouflage the scam. I took pictures and reported the scam to eBay, eBay refunded me but TOOK NO ACTION AGAINST THE SELLER! The seller is still listing their counterfeit Toshiba HDD drives as well as newly listed Samsung HDD drives that are also counterfeit. In fact I found at least a dozen other sellers listing these Toshiba & Samsung fake HDD. It appears that eBay does not care. I'm waiting for Toshiba & Samsung to sue the pants out of eBay for allowing these scams to continue. As said, I reported the counterfeit (with pictures) to eBay but the seller is still listing and scamming. DISGRACEFUL, SHAME ON YOU eBAY!
on โ10-12-2023 02:49 PM
Oh Man. eBay.au is most definitely in a position to stop the fraud. All they need to do is stop listing the seller on eBay.au. In the majority of cases, an AU buyer does not even know the seller is from China so this is 100% Ebay.au fault. The listing is presented to the buyer as a local seller with a local address... are you saying eBay is not participating in scamming the buyer, surely eBay know it is a Chinese seller but is cooperating by hiding this fact from the buyer.
โ10-12-2023 03:29 PM - edited โ10-12-2023 03:29 PM
@ebiz911 wrote:In the majority of cases, an AU buyer does not even know the seller is from China so this is 100% Ebay.au fault.
And that is because the majority of buyers don't take the time (like yourself) to read the seller's feedback where they can clearly see where the seller is registered and how many negs they have.
As said before eBay Australia will do nothing about Chinese sellers - they simply don't have the power to do that.
If you're not prepared to take other members advice, then I suggest you stop buying on-line.
Caveat Emptor......................
โ10-12-2023 03:39 PM - edited โ10-12-2023 03:40 PM
Why does the buyer not know the seller is in China (or any other country) ?
The information is right there, one of the very first things at the top of the feedback page
It is not hidden or hard to find, or a secret or anything else
It is 100% up to the buyer if they choose to look or not
And even if the seller *is* in Australia , it does not mean they are a decent, honest seller selling all legit goods
eBay is not hiding anything, the buyer has all the information (as does anyone who looks at the site) IF they choose to look
If you don't choose to look, don't blame eBay and then claim 'they are hiding' anything
โ10-12-2023 03:51 PM - edited โ10-12-2023 03:53 PM
@ebiz911 wrote:Oh Man. eBay.au is most definitely in a position to stop the fraud. All they need to do is stop listing the seller on eBay.au. In the majority of cases, an AU buyer does not even know the seller is from China so this is 100% Ebay.au fault. The listing is presented to the buyer as a local seller with a local address... are you saying eBay is not participating in scamming the buyer, surely eBay know it is a Chinese seller but is cooperating by hiding this fact from the buyer.
Each and every listing on ebay carries this information, right under description/ postage -
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.
Ebay au has no jurisdiction over overseas sellers
on โ10-12-2023 04:03 PM
So just the last seller you left feedback for
How is this presented as a local seller with a local address, and how is where the seller located hidden?
And, even if it was a seller in Australia, with feedback at 93.4% (beyond bad) that in itself would be enough reason not to buy
on โ10-12-2023 10:40 PM
@ebiz911 wrote:Oh Man. eBay.au is most definitely in a position to stop the fraud. All they need to do is stop listing the seller on eBay.au. In the majority of cases, an AU buyer does not even know the seller is from China so this is 100% Ebay.au fault. The listing is presented to the buyer as a local seller with a local address... are you saying eBay is not participating in scamming the buyer, surely eBay know it is a Chinese seller but is cooperating by hiding this fact from the buyer.
I agree with you that some buyers don't realise a seller is located overseas. That is because that information isn't in the actual ad that you first open up. It will show item location and I think most buyers just assume the seller is located there too.
That pretty much was the case about 15 years ago but these days, you really do have to do an extra bit of checking.
In the ad that you open, you will see seller name and feedback score. If you click on eg feedback score, it will open another page where you can thn click on 'see all feedback' and check out any negs. It will also show you where the seller is registered.
The information is definitely not hidden by ebay but it does take an extra click or two to see it. I would like to see seller location also listed in the body of the ad but as it isn't, you do need to do that extra bit of checking to protect yourself. Well worth it.
Ebay can't do much about the chinese sellers because over there, it doesn't seem to be illegal to sell counterfeit copies. So the sellers there are not breaking any local law.
A seller located in Australia would be subject to different laws.
The problem with buying anything electrical etc direct from China is it has not had to pass any Australian standards. Imported items in shops, yes, they have to pass the standards test. Things slipping in via direct purchase, whether on ebay or elsewhere, you may not be getting something safe.
Ebay doesn't check out most ads, it doesn't take one person's word for it that something is counterfeit, but it does tend to take the buyer's side in a dispute and the buyer can usually get a refund if they open a claim.
Ebay isn't in the business of trying to dissuade you from buying. There are a heap of high volume sellers on ebay with feedback scores under the 99% mark (which is what a lot of boardies here classify as supporting bad sellers) and when you read the spiel about them, ebay itself often says " one of the most reputable sellers on ebay, delivers outstanding service' blah blah blah.
Unless that seller is doing something clearly illegal ebay won't do much.
I wouldn't say ebay is in the business of participating in scamming buyers, but you do need to take care, take those extra steps to check seller location and feedback before you commit to buy. Look after your own interests.