on โ28-07-2018 08:18 AM
Okay, so given the new buying and selling, what's the final outcomes now?
Let's work with $1000
If I buy something for $1000, (Free Postage) it'll be.. $1,000 + $100 (GST) = $1100
If I sell something for $1000, it'll be.. $1,000 - $109 (10.9% eBay Fee) = $891
Is this how it is now?
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on โ29-07-2018 01:40 AM
k1ooo-slr-sales, it might be of interest to flip the idea a little on its head; Gerry Harvey plugs his goods, even though some don't have plugs.
โ29-07-2018 10:19 AM - edited โ29-07-2018 10:20 AM
Hold up so the 10%+ GST only applies to things that have a shipping cost?
Edit: Who the ef is 'Gerry Harvey'?
on โ29-07-2018 10:27 AM
Everything has a shipping cost....it is just that some sellers add it into the item cost and send with "free shipping" which really means shipping included.
The GST is payable on the item cost plus postage, whether that be a separate postage cost or a postage included cost.
Gerry Harvey is the owner of the Harvey Norman chain of discount stores.
on โ29-07-2018 01:01 PM
@teldrassilx wrote:Hold up so the 10%+ GST only applies to things that have a shipping cost?
Edit: Who the ef is 'Gerry Harvey'?
teldrassilx, can you start your reply posts with โ@userIDโ so we know who you are replying to. So, a reply to any of my posts would start with โ@k1oooโ (you can use abbreviated IDs, just so long as we know who you are replying to).
I assume that your reply is to my post since I am the poster who first mentioned Gerry Harvey.
What I posted was:
So the GST will add 50c or less to the item cost of the things you usually buy (if the stuff you buy is from China then chances are it has free postage which will not attract any GST on shipping).
Iโm not sure about your thought processes seeing as you have interpreted replies as saying that GST only applies to items with a shipping cost . . . . . . or, are you just winding us up?
Iโll assume that you are genuine in asking โso the 10%+ GST only applies to things that have a shipping cost?โ. The short answer is NO.
Since 1st July, the GST now applies to ALL eBay items that are bought from overseas sellers. If the seller offers free shipping, as many Asian sellers do, then the GST is levied against the item cost. For an overseas item that has a postage charge then you pay GST on the {item + shipping} cost. If it is shipped using the Global Shipping Program (GSP) then you will likely be charged an import charge by Pitney Bowes, and this import charge is subject to GST.
Gerry Harvey (of Harvey Norman) did lobby the Coalition Government to have GST applied to imports purchased online as he argued that Australian business was disadvantaged as they had to charge GST and could not compete with overseas retailers whose items did not attract GST on items below A$1000 value.
@allpostersontheseboards
On these boards, many posters have laid the blame for the introduction of GST on low-cost imports squarely on Gerry Harvey. While he was the public face of retailers lobbying the government, he was not alone. I contest that people love to have an individual to blame, and Gerry fits the bill. Some years back he was on every TV network making the case for GST on all imports. He has made himself an easy target.
In my opinion, the blame lies with consumers (us) and Federal Governments (past and present). Consumers have embraced online shopping and hate changes that increase the cost of items (you never hear consumers complain when prices drop though). However, it is not entirely their fault as when the GST was introduced in 2000 there was very little, if any, online buying by ordinary citizens. One could hardly blame the Howard Coalition Government of 2000 for not anticipating the level of ecommerce in 2018 and the growth of online platforms such as eBay.
So, including online imports in the GST taxable items is just an evolution of the GST tax legislation. It is not fair to argue that the original GST legislation should apply for all time without change. All legislation should be subject to review and amendment as circumstances change.
As others have posted on other threads, we had it good for many years in being able to buy items GST tax free. It was inevitable that the GST would be extended to include imports to items valued at less than $1000. The removal of any tax-free threshold eliminates avenues for tax avoidance/evasion.
โ29-07-2018 10:27 PM - edited โ29-07-2018 10:30 PM
All my questions are genuine, don't know who you're running into to make those assumptions, I feel sorry for you for dealing with such a community if so. :f
I'm getting mixed messages here and there so, okay.. it's as simple as, all buying overseas now is 10% more expensive. Got it.
Just don't know where, or rather.. how in the world 'Gerry Harvey' came into the conversation.. has me thinking the next thing I'll be reading is something about Lawn Mowers or World War II.
..... Never mind, I read more into it, so Gerry Harvey's apart of this whole thing. Now I see. LOL
Sadly eBay forum or whatever this thing is, isn't or doesn't function like a traditional forum, I can't seem to just 'post' I must make a reply to someone.. and even when I do, it doesn't seem the name's included.
Anyhow, seems my question's been answered.. albiet long-windedly.. ha. ;3
on โ29-07-2018 11:17 PM
@teldrassilx wrote:All my questions are genuine, don't know who you're running into to make those assumptions, I feel sorry for you for dealing with such a community if so. :f
I'm getting mixed messages here and there so, okay.. it's as simple as, all buying overseas now is 10% more expensive. Got it.
Just don't know where, or rather.. how in the world 'Gerry Harvey' came into the conversation.. has me thinking the next thing I'll be reading is something about Lawn Mowers or World War II.
..... Never mind, I read more into it, so Gerry Harvey's apart of this whole thing. Now I see. LOL
Sadly eBay forum or whatever this thing is, isn't or doesn't function like a traditional forum, I can't seem to just 'post' I must make a reply to someone.. and even when I do, it doesn't seem the name's included.
Anyhow, seems my question's been answered.. albiet long-windedly.. ha. ;3
donโt feel sorry for me, Iโll be okay.
I wasnโt sure if you were serious when you asked if GST only applied to items with postage . . . . . but I gave you an informed answer prefaced with โI assume you are genuine in askingโ before proceeded accordingly. Wasnโt being accusatory, mean or disrespectful in any way.
Not sure where you are getting mixed messages from.
Gerry Harvey came into the conversation after you posted โso this 'compeditive rates' garbage is exactly thatโ and in my reply I posted:
Not sure what your โcompetitive ratesโ comment is in relation to, but will take a guess anyway. If your โcompetitive ratesโ comment is in relation to why the GST was introduced on low-cost (under $1000) items then I would need to know the context i.e. is it aimed against Gerry Harvey?
As has been explained in subsequent posts, Gerry lobbied on the grounds that Aussie retailers couldnโt be competitive with online retailers. Many of those who have posted negatively about the introduction of the GST on overseas eBay items have blamed Gerry Harvey. If you re-read the part of my post I quoted above you will see that I wasnโt sure what that comment was in relation to and that I would need to know the context, that is, was it aimed at Gerry Harvey?
I wonโt be posting about lawn mowers or WWII.
@If you are just posting here then you donโt have to let us know who you are replying to. However, if you do reply to a particular post then it helps if we know who you are replying to so that they may answer any questions you pose. When posting on these forums on a mobile all replies seem to show as being in reply to the member who started the thread. So the post you made where you asked โwho is Gerry Harvey?โ looked to those not viewing on a mobile to be a post by you in reply to yourself. That is why I asked you to use the @userID. It just works better on these boards when members know who posters are replying to. If you quote a previous post then it is clear who you are replying to, so no @userID needed.
on โ31-07-2018 11:36 AM
It would not be so bad adding GST to our overseas purchases if it is done fairly.
I recently made some purchases from Hong Kong. When I committed to buy I saw the GST had been added. However, since when is GST added to a delivery cost through China Post and to top it off, eBay charged the GST at the rate of the advertised price not the eventual purchase price which had a discount of 5% using a token.
So my question is: who is getting the extra GST that eBay are collecting and passing to PayPal. Is it the Government, eBay,or Paypal that are extracting the extra bit on their customers.
Other purchases I have made since July 1 that did not have a discount token or delivery fee have been calculated correctly so why the extra charges.
on โ31-07-2018 01:06 PM
@brandrick2936 wrote:It would not be so bad adding GST to our overseas purchases if it is done fairly.
I recently made some purchases from Hong Kong. When I committed to buy I saw the GST had been added. However, since when is GST added to a delivery cost through China Post and to top it off, eBay charged the GST at the rate of the advertised price not the eventual purchase price which had a discount of 5% using a token.
So my question is: who is getting the extra GST that eBay are collecting and passing to PayPal. Is it the Government, eBay,or Paypal that are extracting the extra bit on their customers.
Other purchases I have made since July 1 that did not have a discount token or delivery fee have been calculated correctly so why the extra charges.
Since July 1st.
You're purchasing Goods (item) and Services (postage) from an international seller, so pay Tax on both.
If you use a discount code provided by eBay, the price of the item isn't actually being discounted - not like it is when the seller discounts their items themselves and actually accepts less money for the items - with eBay codes, the item remains at full price, and eBay pays the difference between what you pay the seller and the full price. (eg a $20 at 10% off - you pay $18, eBay pays $2, item price is still $20 and GST is still payable on $20, not $18 - eBay will pay your item discount, but not your tax, and the ATO gets all of it).
If you've purchased items with "free" postage, then there is no postage cost to apply tax to ("free" post generally means the cost is included in the item price, anyway, which means you're still paying shipping costs, and still paying tax on it).
on โ01-08-2018 03:14 PM
avoid gst buying paying direct to buyer, not thru ebay or thru tradional paypal.. there is no gst on second hand items sold by private citizans...
gst is collected by buisnesses when they sell.
an international seller does not care about gst because its only for australia sales.
gst is only added on to the service fees charged by online websites who run a buisness like ebay..
โ01-08-2018 05:03 PM - edited โ01-08-2018 05:08 PM
@bloodlust_03 wrote:avoid gst buying paying direct to buyer, not thru ebay or thru tradional paypal.. there is no gst on second hand items sold by private citizans...
gst is collected by buisnesses when they sell.
an international seller does not care about gst because its only for australia sales.
gst is only added on to the service fees charged by online websites who run a buisness like ebay..
just how would a buyer get the sellers details to make payment away from eBay checkout?
Have you read the information about GST on low-cost imports? It applies to all items bought from overseas sellers on eBay regardless of being new or second hand. For the purposes of applying the GST eBay is classed as the seller as they are the Electronic Delivery Platform (EDP).
Encouraging members to do this is probably against posting guidelines, but knowing your view on payments I know you will continue to spruce this method of payment.