21,000 faulty NBN connections claimed

[nero_bolt]

Another LABOR failure and botched policy....... 

One of an Abbott Government’s toughest jobs will be to clean up the NBN mess and stop the bleeding of our billions:

THE company building Labor’s $37.4 billion National Broadband Network could be forced to repair tens... after cutting corners in the construction processes to boost the number of homes passed by the massive infrastructure project.

The Australian can reveal that as of last week, connections to as many as 21,000 - one in eight - of the 163,500 existing homes and businesses passed by the fibre network were considered to contain defects in the network construction…

The defects mean that network connections to thousands of homes and businesses, which have been classified as “ready for service”, may require repairs before users can access the internet on the new network.

NBN Co last night disputed the figures, admitting there were significant defects but insisting the total number was lower than the [NBN internal] figures obtained by The Australian.

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@freakiness wrote:

Last ditch attempt to smear NBN Co

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbns-defects-not-a-concern-nbn-co-20130906-hv1pc.html

NBN Co has hit back at reports that up to 21,000 fibre connections installed by its contractors are defective, saying the figures are ‘‘grossly misrepresented’’ and give the false impression defects were ‘‘unique to NBN Co’’.

The unsourced story on the front of today’s Australian claimed up to 7000 major defects had been identified across the network, or about 4.2 per cent of total fibre connections completed. It also quoted anonymous sources saying the defects would require a costly clean up.

‘‘Even if the figure reported by The Australian was true, it would not be a concern. As it turns out the number has been grossly misrepresented," NBN Co’s chief operations officer, Ralph Steffens wrote in an internal memo.

"The actual number of defects is substantially lower than that reported by the newspaper.’’

Mr Steffens’ memo claims the ‘‘overwhelming majority of defects are minor and do not touch upon a family’s ability to receive broadband in the home’’.

Further, he said construction contractors would not receive final payment until major defects were rectified. However, he did not say whether defects would add to the cost of construction. Later an NBN Co spokesman said "the rectification of defects does not add to the cost of construction. The cost is borne by contractors."

Mr Steffen's memo also confirmed that neighbourhoods were now declared ready-for-service and available to internet service providers to connect before ‘‘all minor defects cleared’’, reversing an earlier process that would have delayed availability until minor defects were rectified. Minor defects include lawn on a nature strip not being replaced correctly, missing labels, cables needing to be recoiled and reinstating concrete to footpaths.

Major defects could include re-splicing, or reattaching, cables or moving aerial cables further away from power lines.  

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Clutching at straws? deflection? Not so confident of a landslide election win after all by the LNP?

[silverfaun]

NBN, an idea  that came from the 2020, Kevvie was tanking so fast he clutched at it. No cost benefit analysis done & billions paid to Telstra so the govt could create a monolithic monopoly  in its name.

Good one. It's so expensive that many will struggle to pay for the monthly fee.

Labor will wear this albatross around its neck for years & years, it will become the whip to lash  the discredited Labor  party with & it will be used mercilessly.

Kevvie & Ted the polar bear  are out the door, I seriously think he had a break from reality with this one.

[spotweldersfriend]

How about a pre-election song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[freakiness]

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@silverfaun wrote:

NBN, an idea  that came from the 2020, Kevvie was tanking so fast he clutched at it. No cost benefit analysis done & billions paid to Telstra so the govt could create a monolithic monopoly  in its name.

Good one. It's so expensive that many will struggle to pay for the monthly fee.

Labor will wear this albatross around its neck for years & years, it will become the whip to lash  the discredited Labor  party with & it will be used mercilessly.

Kevvie & Ted the polar bear  are out the door, I seriously think he had a break from reality with this one.

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Wrong on every level.

The idea came after the failed FTTN tenders when it was revealed that it was too costly and would not cover those areas with most need for it.  Telstra wanted money for FTTP before they got sold off.  The Nats wanted a FTTP network before the 2007 election.

The monthly feews are cheaper than most pay now.

It's fibre not feathered. 

The only whip lashing will be at those who would destroy it in favour of dated technology wasting money on new copper instead of fibre.  

[freakiness]

The network gets faster every year. 

Why hold everyone back for the sake of it.

We may has well have kept horse and carts instead of buying cars following your logic.

Who has a buffering problem while they stream? 

[para-sights]

I agree - I don't give two carps who wants to take credit for it - I kind of wished Labor had said the they will connect fibre to node just so the Libs would do the FTTP. The battle to outdo each other seriously hinders the future. I don't want the Tony Express internet and I wouldn't care one single bit if he renegs and adopts Labor's internet, in fact I beg him to do it and will give him full credit for it.

[monman12]

FN: "The idea came after the failed FTTN tenders when it was revealed that it was too costly and would not cover those areas with most need for it. "

2008:
Summary: The Federal Government has kicked Telstra out of the competition to build the National Broadband Network, citing a technicality of the bidding process.
Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie said the government's reasoning was that Telstra's bid did not include a plan for how to involve small to medium enterprises in the building of the NBN, a claim McGauchie said was fiction, as Telstra provided its SME plan in early December.

FN: "The only whip lashing will be at those who would destroy it in favour of dated technology wasting money on new copper instead of fibre." 
Actually FN the whole concept of FTTN was that it would use existing copper, not  install new.

"FTTN has been shown to be viable in a number of other first-world countries, including the UK, where incumbent telco BT recently announced it had passed some 16 million premises with FTTN since 2009, delivering speeds of up to 76Mbps, as well as France, Germany and the United States."

Buffering  FN can be due to many problems (some in the home) not just communication speed/rate. To overcome speed throttling, here are some recommended speeds from Netflix:

1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for DVD quality
5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
7.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for Super HD quality
12 Megabits per second - Recommended for 3D quality

Perhaps if you wish to watch streaming video at 2x, 3x or 10x speed  the NBN FTTH would help!

I have HFC 15/1 Mbs which the NBN super-duper Ferrari system wishes to close down, via the ALP government,  having blackmailed Telstra into accepting, or else!.

Why, if the ALP NBN is so great, does it regard my little old Testra HFC as a competitative threat worthy of govenmrnt legislative intervention ?

[freakiness]

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@monman12 wrote:

FN: "The idea came after the failed FTTN tenders when it was revealed that it was too costly and would not cover those areas with most need for it. "

2008:
Summary: The Federal Government has kicked Telstra out of the competition to build the National Broadband Network, citing a technicality of the bidding process.
Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie said the government's reasoning was that Telstra's bid did not include a plan for how to involve small to medium enterprises in the building of the NBN, a claim McGauchie said was fiction, as Telstra provided its SME plan in early December.

FN: "The only whip lashing will be at those who would destroy it in favour of dated technology wasting money on new copper instead of fibre." 
Actually FN the whole concept of FTTN was that it would use existing copper, not  install new.

"FTTN has been shown to be viable in a number of other first-world countries, including the UK, where incumbent telco BT recently announced it had passed some 16 million premises with FTTN since 2009, delivering speeds of up to 76Mbps, as well as France, Germany and the United States."

Buffering  FN can be due to many problems (some in the home) not just communication speed/rate. To overcome speed throttling, here are some recommended speeds from Netflix:

1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for DVD quality
5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
7.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for Super HD quality
12 Megabits per second - Recommended for 3D quality

Perhaps if you wish to watch streaming video at 2x, 3x or 10x speed  the NBN FTTH would help!

I have HFC 15/1 Mbs which the NBN super-duper Ferrari system wishes to close down, via the ALP government,  having blackmailed Telstra into accepting, or else!.

Why, if the ALP NBN is so great, does it regard my little old Testra HFC as a competitative threat worthy of govenmrnt legislative intervention ?

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Telstra's proposal did not comply with the requirements of the tender. Their proposal only covered about 70% of the country. They wanted to cherry pick the profitable areas only.

Much of the copper is not up to the standard required and will need to be replaced. Turnbull confirmed it would be replaced with copper.

BT consumers are complaining already that the speed drops off to 4.5 Mbps at peak times. Their copper is a thicker guage than ours and most runs are shorter in length so our speed will not be the same as theirs.

As I've said before, just because you have a half decent HFC connection doesn't mean the rest of the country has access to the same. Most MDUs in HFC areas don't even have access to the HFC.  

I don't have a buffering problem anymore but plenty of people do.  Many don't even get 2Mbps download and can't uplaod from home. If I'm at risk of throttling I purchase a data block or increase the plan. Easy. I do not want buffering.

Most people have more than one person in the house that might be wanting to use the bandwidth at once. Low bandwidth with low qualioty connection is no good for them.

NBN is not super duper Ferrari system. That would be PtP for everyone in the country with no wireless component.

The HFC stays for Pay TV, just not BB. 

It's about ubiquity. Do you not think the people in HFC areas that can't access HFC should go without?

It should never have been turned into a political football. It's not the ALP NBN, it's just the NBN. It's for the people, all the people in the country. The ALP, greens, indies, Nats were backing it. The Nats accused the ALP of stealing their idea. 

Turnbull invests in FTTP around the world and invests in companies involved with the build then toes to Abbott destroy it line. He should have gone independent and got behind it. As it turns out he's a hypocrite who will say anything to score points with his masters.

[freakiness]

More than the streaming factor I love the video calls and conferencing and love not having to save to USB devices or burn to disks.

The only frustration with video calls is if the person on the other end has a bad connection they drop in and out.

I never need storage devices anymore because I can upload as fast as I can save to a device and I don't ahve to remember the device. I just uplaod and access from everywhere. 

[lightningdance]

MM another considered factual post but nothing you or anybody else say, you will not dent the fanatical defence of this disaster.