$22 billion a year for the NDIS? Plus blowouts?

nero_bolt
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How do we afford this, what programs have to suffer or not get funding to pay for this madness?

 

Where does the money come from?

 

Completely predictable, but Labor still insisted on seeming good by promising a welfare scheme that ..., and the Liberals did not dare to completely oppose it:

COSTS on the pilots for the new national disability care program blew out by as much as 30 per cent in the first six months, hitting $46,000 a person, punching a hole in the May budget and threatening billion-dollar hits in the years ahead.

 

 

The blowout in the national disability insurance scheme is part of the “shocking” turnaround from the surplus Labor predicted for 2017-18 to a $32 billion deficit that Joe Hockey revealed to state treasurers yesterday…

 

For the following three months, from October to December last year, the average cost per person in the pilot programs had dropped to $40,466 but was still 15 per cent above the average budgeted cost…

 

The NDIS is due to be fully operational in 2019-20 at a current estimated annual cost of $22bn, including state government contributions.

 

 

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@nero_wulf wrote:

You know the first thing this childish government has to do is rework and blow the budgets of all Labor projects just so they can continue with the Labor are useless line.


Very true and glad to see that you agree and really most of Australia know that Labor are useless  and this does prove the point...... there are now 138 less Labor members of Federal, State and Territory parliaments than in 2010.

 

 

 

 


Actually only a really big fool would be stupid enough to claim that all those on the conservative side are pure and virtuous while the other side is useless.

 

 

 

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I think you will find that some of that money is already in the system, its just a matter of redistribution.  For example if you are eligible for the NDIS you won't be eligible for a disability package or ISP through the states. They are contacting those who are already clients with funds attached to them during the first phase of the  trial roll out. 

 

So it may be a case of  a percentage of the money already existing.  Now I know this is a federal initiative but they do work with the states on this and a great deal of exisiting funding is supported by the federal govt.  So its partially a matter of existing funds being available for the NDIS. They also need to look closely at how the money is distributed and used.  For example a package of 40,000 dollars may mostly be paying for the facilitators, case workers and admin. However the client may only see about 5,000.

 

So the figures being quoted at present probably include existing funds and when on paper will not be all that it seems.  That's not to say there won't be blowouts for the scheme if more people are accessing it.  However it is a case of I wouldn't believe everything the media spins.  We really need access to the figures to work out exactly what that blow out is.

 

 

 

 

 

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Unfortunately some posters on this thread are speaking out against the government on this issue without a shred of knowledge of the disability sectory (cough lakeland).

 

I work for a government department providing direct care to disabled individuals.  We have basically been informed that in a few years the government wil be getting out of being a service provider due to the fact that private firms are complaining that they cannot compete with government departments for "business from disabled people".  Government departments will be able to leave the sector as well due to the NDIS as it wil save the government money-let the people pay and if there is not enough money-TOUGH.

 

Here in the ACT a respite center recently closed down due to the government implementing and preparing to get out of the business of providing direct care.  Some private companies are at the moment competing for the tender of respite services.

When the local government was in control of the respite center they were charging about $400 maybe slightly more a week to provide respite for disabled individuals.  People who were unable to pay this amount were in a sense given charity often with reduced fees.

 

One of the private companies competing for the tender of this service CHARGES $400 A NIGHT for their services.  They are very keen to win the tender as disabled people will have a lot of money with the NDIS and they want their money.

Can you see what is happening in this instance-NDIS means cheap or free services will become corporatized and disabled people will have to pay more money for the same services.  Disabled people will be seen as walking $ symbols to these private companies, devaluing them as people.  I hope when people are granted money through the NDIS they enjoy paying more than double for the same or lesser service.

 

One of the large private companies which supplies relief staff to the government sector and who wil be poised to become a service provider under the NDIS employs refugees from places like Africa to care for disabled people.  I was told that at a epilepsy training course that one individual from Africa said that in his village people who have epilepsy "HAVE THE DEMONS IN THEM AND ARE PUT AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THE REST OF THE VILLAGERS AS THEY ARE POSSESSED".  Most of these refugee workers have incredibly poor English skills and are fast tracked to work.  The potential here for life threatening situations is HUGE.

 

This same company claims that government workers are grossly overpaid and their company will strive to reduce wages when they become a service provider under the NDIS. Lower paid workers under this new system means less satisfied workers who will take out their frustrations on their clients-the quality level of care will fall.

 

A few years ago here in the ACT a government run nursing home was privatised.  Within a year and a half the private company had more deaths than ever in the home and the level of neglect was mind boggling.  The government had to step in and take control away from the private company.  The private company was able to hide everything without any scrutiny.  A government department at least is accountable to a greater extent than a private company, or so we hope.  The NDIS will mean crooks at these private companies will be able to hide poor care standards.  I hope disabled people are ready for this.  Be ready for more and more deaths and be ready for them to be hidden.  Government providers set standards for proper care of our vulnerable poeple, with government providers gone can the private providers be trusted to provide high standards-no bloody not in a million years.

 

Consider also the beaurocracy assosicated with NDIS-having 14 different companies all providing the same type of service to disabled people.  These companies will all have executives/office staff etc-how much money will be wasted paying these workers .  Much better to have a 50% government and maybe one or two private companies.

 

In Australia the two most expensive states in regards disability care are QLD and the ACT.  The QLD sector has given it's workers three years before the NDIS renders the government departments unable to be service providers.

 

This NDIS will also engineer hatred towards disabled people.  Do you really think some of those workers from Holden/Ford/Toyota will be happy to fork out money in a levy for someone else when they can't put shoes on their own kids feet.  Also how can you put a definite figure on how much care will cost especially when costs will rise.  The figure this current government is also talking about is STILL not enough-such a scheme as the NDIS needs a hell of a lot more than that and needs flexibility to fluctuate in order to provide what is needed.  The scheme labour proposed is just a cheap dream.

 

I am not a socialist by any means BUT EVEN THE SOCIALIST ALLIANCE IS CALLING THE NDIS A LOAD OF **bleep**. Go and check their website about what they think (unless they have changed their position recently).

 

The NDIS was rushed in by a desparate government , desperate to cling onto power, and desparate to hold the Liberals captive to their policy.  They knew on the face of it that if this scheme was opposed by the Liberals that uninformed people would say "look how horrible those Liberals are, they don't even care about the disabled of this counrty".  The truth is Labour thought this would help them to consolidate power at the last and even future elections by holding the Liberals hostage to this policy-even they probably knew in secret that the money they were proposing was nowhere near enough, but as a scheme to win votes it was and is perfect if the scheme is watered down or changed.

 

The NDIS is essentially a bunch of political garbage brought in by Labour.  Service standards will fall, wages will fall, and our poor disabled people will bear the brunt of this failure directly.  By considering something like the NDIS it says to me that Labor hate disabled people and it is a great way for Labor governments to put the responsibility back on the community whilst the power brokers enjoy their champagne breakfasts at the expense of disabled people

 

 

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$22 billion a year for the NDIS? Plus blowouts?

It's Labor, not labour, even though they do work harder.

I agree. The NDIS is just such a waste of money on non profitable people and we should definitely follow Gina's example by shipping disability jobs offshore for $2 an hour.

The savings should be immediately given to the Dear Leader and his buddies because they are much more worthy and know the meaning of life - to make money. And more money, no matter what gets in the way, just make money. And money.
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@just_me_karen wrote:
It's Labor, not labour, even though they do work harder.

I agree. The NDIS is just such a waste of money o





So TRUE the below words of wisdom from Maggie  but sadly they  the labor/green/left  think that the money tree out the back of the lodge is still growing $100 bills..... It died years ago when RUDD/gillard/RUDD blew the bank account and gave us and our great gand kids decades of debt. 
SO the questions that they cant answer (or wont answer)  are.....
WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM 
HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS

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This scheme was never properly costed and gave false Labor hopes to our disabled people-shame on them for breaking peoples hearts.

Under the NDIS private companies will profit greatly from our vulnerable people at their expense-the reply from Just Me Karen is simply attacking the anti NDIS stance on face value and holds no real merit in terms of offering any alternative to the undercosted blowout of the NDIS.  Just keep peddling your technicalities about the spelling of Labor, and Gina Rinehart.  It will help disabled of this country greatly.

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I didn't write that, Nero. Self report or edit, please.
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Disability won't be a word we need to use on CS after Dear Leader ships them offshore and Gina gets the contract.

Now that there are no refugees, would it be a great idea to throw the disabled in manus? Out of sight and all that 🙂
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@just_me_karen wrote:
I didn't write that, Nero. Self report or edit, please.
SO the questions that they cant answer (or wont answer)  are.....
WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM 
HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS
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$22 billion a year for the NDIS? Plus blowouts?

That's better.

But I'm agreeing with you, Nero. It's a terrible waste of money, just like infrastructure and education. Health too, probably.

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