$22 billion a year for the NDIS? Plus blowouts?

[nero_bolt]

How do we afford this, what programs have to suffer or not get funding to pay for this madness?

Where does the money come from?

Completely predictable, but Labor still insisted on seeming good by promising a welfare scheme that ..., and the Liberals did not dare to completely oppose it:

COSTS on the pilots for the new national disability care program blew out by as much as 30 per cent in the first six months, hitting $46,000 a person, punching a hole in the May budget and threatening billion-dollar hits in the years ahead.

The blowout in the national disability insurance scheme is part of the “shocking” turnaround from the surplus Labor predicted for 2017-18 to a $32 billion deficit that Joe Hockey revealed to state treasurers yesterday…

For the following three months, from October to December last year, the average cost per person in the pilot programs had dropped to $40,466 but was still 15 per cent above the average budgeted cost…

The NDIS is due to be fully operational in 2019-20 at a current estimated annual cost of $22bn, including state government contributions.

[bimberiretrosystems]

There will be no need to send them offshore because under the NDIS private companies will make huge profits on the disabled peoples misery,  Right here on our land, and refugees will be given low paid jobs to look after them-one private company here in the ACT employs disability workers as homecare workers so they don't have to pay the award wage under the disability care award.

There will be more of this in the future with the NDIS-just you wait.

[bella_again]

The NDIS is essentially a bunch of political garbage brought in by Labour.  Service standards will fall, wages will fall, and our poor disabled people will bear the brunt of this failure directly.  By considering something like the NDIS it says to me that Labor hate disabled people and it is a great way for Labor governments to put the responsibility back on the community whilst the power brokers enjoy their champagne breakfasts at the expense of disabled people

Thankyou bimberiretrosytems I can only hope you are wrong although I highly suspect there is some truth in your words.  The problem is at least in VIC anyway that the system already fails its most vulnerable.  DHS is really pushing for direct payment and direct employment packages to avoid the costs of current service providers because it is too expensive.  From their perspective, they want the client to access more services for less, but you have to wonder whether  in reality they just want to cut plans for clients.

I'm yet to investigate and read more about the NDIS. Although two of my girls are eligible, I'm  going to keep away from it as long as possible until I fully understand what it entails and if they can do with out it all the better.

[daydream**believer]

My 3 yr old is on the NDIS for his Verbal Apraxia

[silverfaun]

Labor cynically used the most vulnerable people in our community to further their own political  agenda and careers and to cling onto  power.

I am sickened every time I remember the weasel words of Gillard and the NDIS and the Labor conference giving themselves a standing ovation.

They are a disgraceful lot, only remembered for their total and massive failures all the while using children and the disabled to cover themselves.

A few brave journalists brought up at the time that they were using the most vulnerable in the community only to be howled down by the yellow press.

Labor left no legacy, nothing they can speak of, nothing to be proud of, they lay waste to Australia and it's people.

They have no self respect only looking forward to their next tenure and making sure they keep it. They dont care who they use or how many lies they have to utter, it's all about them.

[bella_again]

I don't know but it could be looked at as Labor wanting to address some of the issues that nobody else will.  The bottom line is that the disabled still need support and currently for some that's just not available. Some end up in resi centres because parents can't care for them as there is no support. That cost the government far more that a measly package of support and can be in the region of 780,000 per person per year depending on needs. Or parents that have had to surrender children to Child protection because they simply can't cope with the complex needs of their children.  It happens everyday and what about when they are older and their parents die.  The current system simply can't cater for those needs into the future.

So whether we like it or not society has to come up with a way to address these issues. I don't really give a toss about pollies and while we are talking about them its nothing to raise their salaries by 70,000 ( I forget who that was) but aside from that what about the constant pay rises they keep voting themselves. No outcry about that,  that's ok... but try to protect vulnerable people and everyone gets their knickers in a knot...  In balance I agree we need a sustainable approach, but to leave these people out in the cold isn't acceptable on any level.

[lakeland27]

The libs agreed to retain the program as an election promise. i know they'd rather give the money to 'friends' but they have an obligation . breaking the election promise will damage them further.

[nero_bolt]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

The libs agreed to retain the program as an election promise. i know they'd rather give the money to 'friends' but they have an obligation . breaking the election promise will damage them further.

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 Whatever .....  

But can you answer these questions

WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?

HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?

[just_me_karen]

It's fully funded through a medicare increase.

But lets not do that. I have a better idea. And you will like it:)

Now that there are no refugees in the world we will save 72 billion dollars..,,AND have empty concentration camps in which to house non productive, economically unviable disabled people.

Those who can't afford the ticket and $7000 visa fee can take the Nembutal option.

See? I knew you'd like it. We will save billions and remove potential labor voters offshore.
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It fits right in with Dear Leaders social manipulation policies such as PPL, allowing bigotry, banning protest and providing marriage counselling to women of calibre and religion. The right religion, of course.

[lakeland27]

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@nero_wulf wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

The libs agreed to retain the program as an election promise. i know they'd rather give the money to 'friends' but they have an obligation . breaking the election promise will damage them further.

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 Whatever .....  

But can you answer these questions

WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?

HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?

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you'll have to ask tone that.  its his promise and the public expect him to keep it.  he could start by increasing the mining tax and asking colin barnett to put the percentage of state royalties down, you see as a way of sabotaging the mining tax Barnett raised royalties... the same reason WA get the smaller share of GST royalties

[freakiness]

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@bella_again wrote: I don't really give a toss about pollies and while we are talking about them its nothing to raise their salaries by 70,000 ( I forget who that was) 

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That would be those most against the NDIS.