38.

[i-need-a-martini]

That's the number of women murdered this year by their partners.

Yes, another woman was murdered by her partner today.

That is the 4th woman this week.

it averages out at 2 women killed every week.

We can talk until we are blue in the face about what a threat terrorism is. But terrorism pales in comparison to this.

And, as usual, todays deaths barely rates a mention in the newspapers. And, as usual, our politicians couldn't care less.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
So what your saying is bugger off and let us have our male bashing thread back

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Is that really what you have read into the opening post?? Oh come on...

How about discussing the topic? Why are women dying? What is happening in our society? How come the media is more or less ignoring it? How come the governmtn isn't addressing it or taking it seriously?

And where, anywhere, has anyone done any "male bashing" on this thread?

[lloydslights]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
So what your saying is bugger off and let us have our male bashing thread back

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Is that really what you have read into the opening post?? Oh come on...

How about discussing the topic? Why are women dying? What is happening in our society? How come the media is more or less ignoring it? How come the governmtn isn't addressing it or taking it seriously?

And where, anywhere, has anyone done any "male bashing" on this thread

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Why have some children been raised to be aggressive, angry, and confrontational as adults?

Why do people accept other people to be in their lives who are aggressive, angry and confrontational as a partner?

Why do people pick, nag, and persist?

Why blame the media and government for not addressing it, when Ms Batty, has been appointed by the govt and reported about by the media, has been in the news recently along with Q&A.

DEB

[polksaladallie]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

any reason why you didn't ask the op for a link?

op's information was not accurate.

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Although it was not you who I asked, I will answer.

I have been monitoring the dead women since January 1st, as has ABS, Governments etc.

I am well aware that male suicide rates are high, but I do not believe that most of them are due to court decisions, so I would like to see the stats for this, which, incidentally, have not yet been provided.   (The figure sounds like a wild guess to me).

{I have heard stated that farmers and their financial problems account for the most male suicides.  I don't believe that either).

Until the stats are provided, I will remain sceptical.

[polksaladallie]

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@kilroy_is_here wrote:
So what your saying is bugger off and let us have our male bashing thread back

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There are so many women-bashing threads here, why can't there be a little move to equality?

[punch*drunk]

Well personally I think to have any chance of stopping or at least slowing down the cycle they need to start addressing the problem in schools. The cycle is being continued by the children of abusive families because they dont know any better.

The problem is the children growing up in thses situations consider extreme violence and cruelty as normal part of life. My niece had an abusive stepdad for all of her teenage years and I was terrified she'd end up in the same boat as her mum. They cant see the early signs of abuse of because they are so mild to what they are used to that they think things are great even when they're not. then the violence escalates and they are already trapped in the relationship. They need to be taught the early signs of abuse and control and obviously also need be taught acceptable ways of treating others so they dont turn into abusers.

And, I've said this before and got caned for it, the constant fixation on how many deaths there have been (tragic as they are) doesnt help the cause at all. Women (and men) that are being psychologically abused, or physical abuse but not to the point where they are in fear of their lives, will not feel worthy of help when its only physical violence that seems worth reporting. They are already psychologically damaged and made to feel worthless. Even the questions they ask when you are seeking help concentrate on physical violence and if you are having to say no to every question about physical violence you feel totally foolish. I remember my sister looking like she'd wish the ground would swallow her up as she struggled to get across how cruel her partner had been despite the fact he almost never put his hands on her. 

I think its important to publish the stats on the deaths in the hope of reducing the toll, but I think its also important to publicise the devastating effects of other kinds of abuse and encourage those women (and men) to seek help and let them know they are not forgotten about. 

I would also like to see some studies re the link between substance abuse and domestic violence. They probably need to be tackled side by side.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"Why do people pick, nag, and persist?"

Have you been listening in at my place?

[gleee58]

It's not a constant fixation on death.  It's a fact that has not been counted until recently.  The count does not cause more harm nor does it distract from any other form of abuse.  Death is the ultimate level of abuse.  It's not going to go away by not talking about it.

There was a male person on 60 minutes on Sunday who had beaten his wife to a pulp and said he had changed after jail but still he blamed his wife.  He had the hide to wear a white ribbon while saying she bought out the worst in him.  No, he has control of his actions.

Yes, we need to educate the young but we don't need to sweep the facts about the deaths under the carpet and pretend it is less a problem than it is.

[gleee58]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

"Why do people pick, nag, and persist?"

Have you been listening in at my place?

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We don't need to. We see it here all the time.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

"Why do people pick, nag, and persist?"

Have you been listening in at my place?

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We don't need to. We see it here all the time.

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what do you see here? is someone picking and nagging at me here too?

[janeababe]

^^^^ excellent post, punch*drunk.
you have hit the nail on the head.

In my (almost 30 yrs) of nursing, you get to know the signs and symptoms of abuse.... (physical, sexual, financial, neglect, emotional)

You would be suprised to know that the gender most on anti-depressents is male!
Of that, the age range is 17-35yrs.

Woman account for a higher range in the 40-60 age range.  This is MY career experience. I dont need statistics,  when i have seen it time and time again. I should point out, I CAN ONLY REFLECT A SMALL PORTION OF NSW. I work Central West NSW.

I would like to know of the OP's 38 women, or 34 as the case may be.... 

How many filed DV complaints to the police?
How many had previous hospital visits to the ER?
How many of the males were on AD's?
How many had AVO's insitu?
How many had a history of violence?


No point demanding our Govt fix a problem, if you catergorise the problem in just one basket!

I also want to go out on a limb here... and state that not all the women are angels in their relationships either.
Plenty of men in DV situations, but sterotypes of masculinity keep them from reporting their cases. Even the police force are to lay blame here, as our local law enforcement play down a mans complaint of DV.

There is not a one size fits all solution here.