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ABC becomes the story after unprecedented week of accusations and high-profile departures

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/abc-becomes-the-story-after-high-profile-departures/10310944

 

Mr Miln is prolly thinking "well that didnt go the way i thought it would"

 

now, reinstate  Michelle Guthrie and hire a trustworthy chairman.

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@johcaschro wrote:

"It would appear you and most other contributors to this thread are very strong Labor supporters, ( please correct me and tell me you are LNP supporters if I,m wrong ) and as such, you see nothing wrong with the way the ABC presents biased news and current affairs programming. Looking through your rose ( or red ) coloured glasses, this is just facts about the " dirty, stinking Liberal party " to borrow a line from another popular thread here."

 

 

Well I'm definitely not a supporter of or voter for the conservative right wing parties.

 

You'll have to judge for yourself on this.

 

I believe in free, govt funded education at all levels. I don't believe public money should be gifted to support private enterprise  eduation of any description. If a person wants to send their kids to private or religious schools, then they should be prepared to pay for it themselves.

 

I believe students in private schools should recieve the same $ funding per student as kids in public schools with any extra paid by the parents of the private school. This seems fairer than your proposal.

 

I believe in free, govt funded medicine at all levels and believe that all private medical practice should be nationalised. There is something horrible about  for-profit private enterprise medicine making money from the suffering of the sick. There is something noble about a society which has both the ability and the desire to care for all of its people.

 

I believe that good quality medical care should be readily available and free for all Australians rich or poor. If people want to pay for extra sevices thats their right and who are you or I to tell them they cant.

 

I believe in free or maximally subsidised housing for the poor.

 

Largely agree with you on this one. I just think it is unfortunate that the current system is too often exploited by people who are quite capable of looking after themselves but are too lazy to do so. This places an unneccesary burden on the system meaning that many genuinely poor or disabled people cant access affordable housing. And yes I have public housing at the rear of my home and so see first hand genuine people in need and also people abusing our public housing system.

 

I believe that the supply of essential utilities like electricity, gas and water should be nationalised and run by the govt. We were told that privatising our electricity supply would lead to lower prices as free-market competitive forces came into play. But it didn't and never ever was going to. We were lied to.

 

Couldnt agree more with you on this one. No ifs buts or maybes.

 

I believe that prisons should be owned and operated by the govt. To make private profits from incarcerating those who offend against society is, in my view abhorrent. It's the govt's responsibility to enforce the law and to administer penalties.

 

Again 100% agreement......Smiley Happy

 

I believe that all of our mineral resources belong to the Australian people and should not be leased out to be exploited by private companies which in my view steal the profits which rightfully belong to all of us.

 

WOW three in a row......100% Agreement

 

I believe that the govt has no role to play in the subsidising, by public moneys, of any religious belief and their various institutions. I understand the complex power interplay between rulers and religions and they both use each other in order to exert a degree of influence and control over people who know no better than to be ensnared in their patently ludicrous and societally damaging mythologies.

 

Make that four in a row !!!

 

So, you call it. What am I ?

 

Fairly similar to me by the sounds of it............Smiley Wink.....Seems we have more in common than things we disagree on.

 

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So if we agree on most things and you keep suggesting I,m a die hard Liberal supporter..............
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Does that make you a closet LNP voter too ..........   Smiley Surprised

 

 

 


 

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@marwi_3023 wrote:

I worked for nearly a year planting blue gums on tree farms and don't know the exact numbers but it would be thousands if not ten plus thousand

Blue gums are grown for commercial harvesting when they get big enough and 100's of farmers have been left

 

with a "resource" that's worthless to them,(the original people like Elders that got them to plant them have pulled

 

out and the farmers are left with the trees which are to costly to cut down).

They also extract all the nutrients from the ground so the land isn't as "rich".

One of the cheap option might be to bulldoze them and then burn them,(so in the end there will be no trees

 

left standing,which makes for a lot of wasted energy by all the people that planted them),shok.gif

 

Others have had "accidental" bush fires go through them which also seems to work.

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I believe students in private schools should recieve the same $ funding per student as kids in public schools with any extra paid by the parents of the private school. This seems fairer than your proposal.

 

I don't agree that public money should be gifted to private, for-profit businesses. Think of this a stimulus for them to become more efficient rather than them lazily considering that if they cannot be competitive then the govt can be relied upon for a subsidy.

 

If there already exists a well-funded and good quality free education system then those people wishing to pursue a private education, in a private for-profit institution, should excercise their freedom to pay for it themselves.

 

Any money given to private schools is money that cannot be spent on govt schools.

 

I'm surprised and gladdened that you seem to agree with me on so many other issues though. I think of myself as a socialist, and with a position far to the left of the Labor party. How do you think of your own politicial position?

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@johcaschro wrote:

I believe students in private schools should recieve the same $ funding per student as kids in public schools with any extra paid by the parents of the private school. This seems fairer than your proposal.

 

I don't agree that public money should be gifted to private, for-profit businesses. Think of this a stimulus for them to become more efficient rather than them lazily considering that if they cannot be competitive then the govt can be relied upon for a subsidy.

 

If there already exists a well-funded and good quality free education system then those people wishing to pursue a private education, in a private for-profit institution, should excercise their freedom to pay for it themselves.

 

Any money given to private schools is money that cannot be spent on govt schools.

 

I'm surprised and gladdened that you seem to agree with me on so many other issues though. I think of myself as a socialist, and with a position far to the left of the Labor party. How do you think of your own politicial position?


In practical terms, I am a genuine swinging voter who is not alighned to any party or candidate. On philisophical grounds I view myself as having strong socialist views on many issues, tempered with a strong dose of reality. What is ideal from a socialist point of view is often not always practicle or affordable.

 

Governments and business must first be operating in an ecenomically viable way, before any social policies can be implemented. There is also the problem that when social plicies are introduced for genuinely needy people there will always be some others who see a free ride at tax payers expense. These extra people are effectively stealing, not only from tax payers but also more importantly, using up services that could go to those in genuine need, meaning less services for people who need them most.

 

This problem is further complicated by genuine structural unemployment in industry, meaning some people will never find a job, even if they want one.

 

Politics and social policy is never black and white. ( or red and blue ) there is a lot of grey in between. 

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Agreed there will always be some  who will try to rort the system but probably relatively few and those will not cost a lot anyway compared to what is spent on the overall budget.

 

Where there is a very significant amount of money lost is via those already wealthy folk who rort the tax system.  The amount of money they 'steal' is absolutely huge compared to that lost to a few marginal, unemployed 'leaners'.

 

If we could get big corporations and wealthy individuals to pay their fair share of tax, then we could easily absorb the cost generated by those who rort the social welfare system.

 

e.g http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-22/ato-30pc-of-large-private-companies-pay-no-tax/7266454

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@johcaschro wrote:

Agreed there will always be some  who will try to rort the system but probably relatively few and those will not cost a lot anyway compared to what is spent on the overall budget.

 

Where there is a very significant amount of money lost is via those already wealthy folk who rort the tax system.  The amount of money they 'steal' is absolutely huge compared to that lost to a few marginal, unemployed 'leaners'.

 

If we could get big corporations and wealthy individuals to pay their fair share of tax, then we could easily absorb the cost generated by those who rort the social welfare system.

 

e.g http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-22/ato-30pc-of-large-private-companies-pay-no-tax/7266454


Again we have some common ground.

 

The problems you mention are more the fault of the LNP than Labor, although Labor has done its share of shirking its responsibilities in this area too. Probably the most unfortunate example was Gillards mining super profits tax. During the Chinese mineral boom, Australia had a golden opportunity to use some of this mineral wealth to make a real difference to both social policy and future budget stability for decades to come. Unfortunately Labor caved in to the advertising blitz and political pressure applied by the mining giants and wasted a once in a life time chance.

 

And before everyone jumps in with comments about the LNP. I doubt that they would have even had the gumption to propose the tax in the first place, preferring to drink champagne with their good mining magnate mates.

 

This is one of the reasons we need the political cycle of revolving Liberal and Labor governments. Labor is too focused on social policy, ( and buying the votes that go with it ) without understanding the economics that actually pay for the policies and the LNP is too focused on cold economic policy and big business with little understanding or care for social policy and those on the bottom of the ladder who we should have more empathy and care for.

 

Like you, I have little faith in trickle down economics and believe the tax system needs to be tightened to ensure major businesses contribute to a just society, rather than simply feathering the nests of an elite few..

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Like you, I have little faith in trickle down economics and believe the tax system needs to be tightened to ensure major businesses contribute to a just society, rather than simply feathering the nests of an elite few..


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