ADHD.........does it exist, or just an excuse?

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

Neurologist, Richard Saul says it doesn't......

[nevynreally]

---

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

I did not suggest that anybody should just get over it.

.. The fact is 1/3 cure themselves... and get over it.. i don't know why do you??

The researchers are trying to find out why 1/3  do.

Overdiagnosis may be the reason why... ie they did not have ADHD in the first place...

---

The researchers have no clue. Blame overdiagnosis and ignore the fact that ADHD and ADD are real disorders of the brain.

It's all yours azurline, I'm over the *lets stir up sh!t* posting on these forums.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.action.org.uk/our_research/attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder_adhd_why_do_some_chil...

Published on 29 October 2010

Around one in 20 children worldwide have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).1 Children with ADHD can have serious difficulties, with schoolwork and relationships, for example. Adults with ADHD can face additional problems – with drugs, crime and unemployment, to name but a few.

Around one third of children grow out of their disorder during adolescence, while others find their problems persist into adult life.2

Researchers are trying to find out why, with the ultimate aim of helping more people overcome ADHD.

I had asthma when I was a kid ( about 4 I think)... but i grew out of it

... If somebody asked if I was an asthmatic I would say no... I grew out of it

[azureline**]

No thanks Nev...... I am over it....... I know what I know and have no need to try to convince anyone it's real.

[cherry*135]

Richard Soul, Neurologist has written a book for sale to the public.

He hasn't written an academic paper or undertaken scientific studies on this subject. If he had done either of those he would then get his work reviewed by peers.

 imo, his book is just one persons view.

[esseco46]

Totally agree with you am*3.

My closest friend had one son and an ex husband with it and it was just hell on earth. It eventually was partially to blame for the marriage breakdown after many years of torment for them all.

It does exist and is very very real.

[*crikey*mate*]

---

@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

I thought about 1/3 of children diagnosed with ADHD grew out of it ?

I though that was a large part of the research into ADHD ie working out how or why some do grow out of it?

http://www.action.org.uk/our_research/attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder_adhd_why_do_some_chil...

There is no cure for ADHD, though both medical and psychological treatments can help control symptoms.

Around one third of children seem to grow out of their disorder during adolescence, but the others find their ADHD

persists into adult life.

A key question is ‘Why?’ Finding the answer could lead to ways to help more children overcome ADHD.

---

do they "grow out of it" or learn to manage it better or with greater success? Do the strategies that many of these kids (and adults) learn through shrink sessions or other treatment aned therapy classes/programs, teach them how to identify their body's changes? teach them how to manage those changes? teach them how to control those changes? In some cases, I should imagine that simple maturity gained through aging assisted with becoming more able to recognize changes and implement strategies (often subconsciously, or gained as learned behaviour rather than intrinsic knowledge) to minimize the effects...

[lind9650]

What scientists and neurologists don't look for, is why this happens in such numbers (1 out of 20) and getting worse as time goes by.

When I had my children, (the oldest is 60 next month) we hardly ever heard about a cild with ADHD or Aspergers. Even when I grew up we could tell if there was a mental problem most of the time, because children wer raised with much stricter discipline than children are today. So, yes, I agree, there may be to many misdiagnosed, but it does not help the real cases.

Most of our food was organically grown, bought at markets, or home grown without any pesticides or artificial fertilisers to make the fruit and vegetables look good. LOL, I remmber washing green gubs out of cauliflower and spinach, and cutting worms out of apples and pears.

Today everything looks great, but tastes like cardboard.

Could it be that over time our food and drinks became so contaminated with poisons that a lot of the illnessess are a result of it ?

Everything we eat and drink nowadays contains some chemical that poisons our body. Perhaps some pregnant women react badly to some of the chemicals and it affects the baby?

Just something I often think about.

Erica ♥

[esseco46]

I don't believe they grow out of it - some seem to be able to 'manage' it as they grow older, others unfortunately don't have the ability and they fall off the rails time and time again. I wish it was an illness so that it could be researched and a cure found for it. It is a horrible thing for someone to have and someone to live with those who have it.

[esseco46]

I agree with you lind9650 - I do believe that :

Most of our food was organically grown, bought at markets, or home grown without any pesticides or artificial fertilisers to make the fruit and vegetables look good. LOL, I remember washing green gubs out of cauliflower and spinach, and cutting worms out of apples and pears.

Today everything looks great, but tastes like cardboard.

I wonder why these changes were made to such an extent.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

Just point me to my post that says ADHD is not real.

My posts have nothing to do with what Richard Saul says, his book, or his ascertions that ADHD is not real save that I

am discussing ADHD and the 1/3 of all diagnosed with ADHD  "grow out of it"... and nobody really knows why...

and that I am opining "well maybe none do grow out of ADHD maybe the 1/3 that are cited as growing out of it

were  originally misdiagnosed" ( I don't believe this to be so it's just an observation)

The studies of action org ie. these learned people say they do...... 1/3 of them (as do most other ADHD help sites), an

amount of the rest learn to cope, some I guess will need enhanced support or medication for most of their lives.

Project Leader   
Dr J Kuntsi BSc MSc CPsychol PhD

Project team   
Professor Philip Asherson MBBS PhD,
Dr Frühling Rijsdijk MA PhD,
Dr Grainne McLoughlin BSc MSc PhD

Did you read Camerons story on the link, check the bonafides of  Action org or look at their history into childhood disease research?

crikey wrote

Do the strategies that many of these kids (and adults) learn through shrink sessions or other treatment aned therapy classes/programs, teach them how to identify their body's changes?
teach them how to manage those changes?
teach them how to control those changes?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I would hope so...don't you??

Do you think the researchers took that into account during their  3 year study??

Do you think the study was/is frivolous?

Have you read the results of Action orgs study and followed the links?

Crikey wrote

 In some cases, I should imagine that simple maturity gained through aging assisted with becoming more able to recognize changes and implement strategies (often subconsciously, or gained as learned behaviour rather than intrinsic knowledge) to minimize the effects...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So I guess, by your comments that you don't believe that 1/3 of the children with ADHD just grow out of it and that 

action org just has some hidden money making agenda???

Instead of "I should imagine"...... check out the research sites history into childhood disease... Luckily the researchers

are open to exploration, discovery and innovation and continue to pursue answers unlike your closed mind on the

subject.

My younger sister created and has owned the same preschool/long term child daycare centre for 33 years in a small

country town. I volunteer there when ever I can (resident teller of tall tales and boffin in charge of playfround scientific research).

The number of ADHD diagnosed children that attend continues to grow. I understand that living 24/7 is not in the same league or even near it.

However learning to cope and interacting with other's ADHD diagnosed and undiagnosed children (sometimes

enmasse) also brings another perspective to my views on the subject.