on โ15-04-2020 06:52 PM
Mostly restrict oldies to home quarantine after first establishing an efficient
home delivery system for essentials.
Let all the young ones just go for it and get the economy rolling again.
Some will die but the flu also kills at about the same rate and it's usually
people with a pre-existing condition which makes them vulnerable so what
COVID-19 doesn't get the flu will.
For the most part it will be a mild case of the flu and we having been living
this way since the Spanish Flu pandemic.
The most vulnerable group ( oldies ) will be protected until a vaccine is developed.
We would have to FaceTime our relatives. A small price to pay for the good of mostly all.
Any oldies caught outdoors without an 'effective' face mask will be stripped of excursion rights.
The alternative is sending our country broke.
If put to a vote then most oldies ( including me ) would vote yes.
on โ16-04-2020 07:59 PM
That was the Great War, Tas.
The first Christmas in France.
A wonderful show of camaraderie on both sides.
They exchanged chocolates, gifts, even showed each other pictures of their sweethearts, their families back home.
But then, before Easter had even dawned the next year, so many of those good young men would be no more.
Such, unfortunately, are the fortunes of war.
Ordinary men in the most extraordinary of circumstances...
There's something not to forget, come the 25th.
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on โ16-04-2020 08:00 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morrison, Cormann and Frydenberg have already discussed raising the GST. It's a perfect scenario to "sell" it to the public.
What will be interesting is how the governmentโs going to recoup all that money. Will the general public bear the brunt while business gets an armchair ride,like what happened in the U.S during the GFC?The government has no hope of recouping the money if it closes down businesses that employs ppl and in turn funds ppl that are not productive and dependant on welfare anyway.
Sure, there'll be spending, but mainly for the benefit of large corporations like Woolworths,Coles, Aldi, Harvey Norman et al, who have international interests and sharholders.
Government needs to invest in local produce and infrastructure and create jobs for the young ppl languishing on welfare, to create taxes in order to fund future funds.
All very well to sell off land, agriculture and utilities to create funds, but eventually it'cant' help but run out. What then?
One thing I have noticed, that I did not know before is that we have AROUND ONE MILLION international workers in Australia. That's a million jobs that Australians could have, but are not getting access too. I don't think its a coincidence that the Government is not providing any assistance to foreign workers at the moment, instead telling them to go home. That one million jobs would be much better utilised by our own citizens, once the dust settles and things return to some resemblance of normality. In fact it might just make the difference between coming through this mess OK or our young people facing a life of unemployment and disadvantage.
on โ16-04-2020 08:00 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morrison, Cormann and Frydenberg have already discussed raising the GST. It's a perfect scenario to "sell" it to the public.
What will be interesting is how the governmentโs going to recoup all that money. Will the general public bear the brunt while business gets an armchair ride,like what happened in the U.S during the GFC?The government has no hope of recouping the money if it closes down businesses that employs ppl and in turn funds ppl that are not productive and dependant on welfare anyway.
Sure, there'll be spending, but mainly for the benefit of large corporations like Woolworths,Coles, Aldi, Harvey Norman et al, who have international interests and sharholders.
Government needs to invest in local produce and infrastructure and create jobs for the young ppl languishing on welfare, to create taxes in order to fund future funds.
All very well to sell off land, agriculture and utilities to create funds, but eventually it'cant' help but run out. What then?
We have no future fund. The one by that name was set up specifically to fund Public Service (CSS and to an extent PSS) pensions. Which should be a declining cost.
Instead of buying votes with tax cuts, Howard and Costello should have set up a real sovereign fund when we had a real mining boom and a significant surplus. Like Norway did with North Sea oil. That would have meant we had the money in the bank for times like these.
Not that it matters that much. Credit is so cheap, especially for governments, that borrowing is a prudent economic decision.
on โ16-04-2020 08:02 PM
Yes it's a true story Tas and was made into a film Joyeux Noel which I've seen.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424205/
I found it amazing and very moving and now you've reminded me I'm going to try and find it again. .
on โ16-04-2020 08:02 PM
Little Bo peep has lost her sheep and doesn't know where to find them...
Leave them alone, and they'll come home, wagging their tails behind them...
A nursery rhyme that I found absolutely preposterous, as a child, because the only sheep I'd ever seen had had their tails docked, ha ha...
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on โ16-04-2020 08:07 PM
Thank you so much ecar, much appreciated. I had read it somewhere but didn't see the details, I was a few years out xxx
What an incredible thing to happen, just wonderful .. and what a shame it had to go back as it was afterwards. It just proves to me that when it comes down to a choice for us mere mortals, perhaps that would never be war because us mere mortals would just say NO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_a1zgftXPM
on โ16-04-2020 08:08 PM
Thank you also Bright xxxx
on โ16-04-2020 08:18 PM
You would just need to be careful what you 'might' bring back with you.
on โ16-04-2020 08:27 PM
I didn't say 'our' government.
The UK.
"It's war on the virus" is the declaration of the Sunday Mirror, which claims that 8,000 private hospital beds will be rented by the NHS, troops will be mobilised and over-70s will be told to self-isolate for up to four months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-51893135
My nephew is currently stranded in Belgrade where there is an 8pm to 5am military curfew in effect ( at last word it was going to be extended ). The oldies are allowed out between 3am-5am for food shopping. Not sure if they are locked up outside these hours though.
on โ16-04-2020 08:29 PM
Not our govt.
The UK.
"It's war on the virus" is the declaration of the Sunday Mirror, which claims that 8,000 private hospital beds will be rented by the NHS, troops will be mobilised and over-70s will be told to self-isolate for up to four months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-51893135
My nephew is currently stranded in Belgrade where there is an 8pm to 5am military curfew in effect ( at last word it was going to be extended. The oldies are allowed out between 3am-5am for food shopping. Not sure if they are locked up outside these hours though.