An obvious fix for the pandemic.

[dontmissthese]

Mostly restrict oldies to home quarantine after first establishing an efficient

home delivery system for essentials. 

Let all the young ones just go for it and get the economy rolling again.

Some will die but the flu also kills at about the same rate and it's usually

people with a pre-existing condition which makes them vulnerable so what

COVID-19 doesn't get the flu will.

For the most part it will be a mild case of the flu and we having been living

this way since the Spanish Flu pandemic.

The most vulnerable group ( oldies ) will be protected until a vaccine is developed.

We would have to FaceTime our relatives. A small price to pay for the good of mostly all.

Any oldies caught outdoors without an 'effective' face mask will be stripped of excursion rights.

The alternative is sending our country broke.

If put to a vote then most oldies ( including me ) would vote yes.

[rogespeed]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morrison, Cormann and Frydenberg have already discussed raising the GST. It's a perfect scenario to "sell" it to the public.
What will be interesting is how the government’s going to recoup all that money. Will the general public bear the brunt while business gets an armchair ride,like what happened in the U.S during the GFC?

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The government has no hope of recouping the money if it closes down businesses that employs ppl and in turn funds ppl that are not productive and dependant on welfare anyway.

Sure, there'll be spending, but mainly for the benefit of large corporations like Woolworths,Coles, Aldi, Harvey Norman et al, who have international interests and sharholders.

Government needs to invest in local produce and infrastructure and create jobs for the young ppl languishing on welfare, to create taxes in order to fund future funds.

All very well to sell off land, agriculture and utilities to create funds, but eventually it'cant' help but run out. What then?

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One thing I have noticed, that I did not know before is that we have AROUND ONE MILLION international workers in Australia. That's a million jobs that Australians could have, but are not getting access too. I don't think its a coincidence that the Government is not providing any assistance to foreign workers at the moment, instead telling them to go home. That one million jobs would be much better utilised by our own citizens, once the dust settles and things return to some resemblance of normality. In fact it might just make the difference between coming through this mess OK or our young people facing a life of unemployment and disadvantage.

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Trouble is alot of them are willing and are allowed to live in sub-standard physical and social conditions, as they are single and only here temporary,  relative to local citizen workers with family responsibilities ( and those expected to assume family responsiblities )  

[dontmissthese]

I don't have time to just write a short novel at these boards so I tend

to make statements that are open to an individual's interpretation.

I didn't really suggest placing oldies under lock and key but let's take a look

at our current situation.

If you are not an essential worker, buying food or seeking medical aid

then you are currently under a figurative 'lock and key' no matter

what your age.

To be blunt. The world cannot afford to be locked down for 12-18 months.
Within just months global economies will simply collapse.

The only solution is to 'protect' the vulnerable and let the rest of society

run free so that a herd immunity will develop or a vaccine developed.

The vulnerable can still be visited by relatives etc who take proper precautions.

A visiting relative who is rampantly contagious would not be a threat if precautions

are taken. There would simply be no kissing on lips, eyes or noses.

The USA will be going down the protection path shortly. They will either make an effort to

protect the vulnerable or send them to camps. This will be a purely economic decision.

[dontmissthese]

I don't really think the vulnerable will be sent to 'camps' because it would

to 'Hitler like' for the US or any other public to accept and too expensive.

[*kazumi*]

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@tasfleur wrote:

Ecar, did you notice that all those sheep at the beginning of the video had their long tails .. it really made me smile ... 

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I assume that sheep in cooler countries do not get blow fly strike.  We lost one of our pet sheep from that, and there is nothing more horrible than seeng animal whose whole **bleep** and anus is one large rotting hole full of maggots.  Vet had to put her down.  Sheep in large flocks on farms are not so lucky; they die long and painful death.

[*kazumi*]

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@springyzone wrote:

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Being denied visits can and is causing distress to some. I have a sister in law in whose husband rings daily begging for her to visit and not fully understanding why she has suddenly changed. Even though it is explained, he gets upset.

I am not against some precautions and temporary bans but I think it can't go on too long with the elderly as any gains will be outweighed by what they have lost.

Maybe some older people would rather more quality over quantity in their final years.

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The problem is that in nursing homes allowing visitors is just too dangerous; one infectious visitor can kill several residents and some staff, who might infect their families.  The staff has kids at school...... etc.  Most old people can communicate by Internet, and those who cannot understand what is going on, also probably do not remember who their visitors are, or how long since they had a visit.

[tasfleur]

Can't argue with that Kazumi, that would be dreadful for sheep to die like that.

The sheep tails made me smile though because I've never seen sheep (like that) with long tails before.

[*kazumi*]

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@dontmissthese wrote:

To be blunt. The world cannot afford to be locked down for 12-18 months.
Within just months global economies will simply collapse.

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You obviously missed the small point that we do not know if people who had it are developing any degree of useful immunity.  What we do know is that if we allow steep curve of infection our health system will be totally overwhelmed.  Anyway, developing "herd" immunity was what the British genius thought; it landed him in ICU, and UK in huge trouble.

  Forget the oldies, yes they are more likely to die, but most of the people getting infected now in the USA are in their 20s and 30s.  About 20% of those infected end up in hospital, and many of the survivors end up with damage to their heart, liver and kidneys, as well as their lungs.  Just because they do not die does not mean they will be fine.  

[domino-710]

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@tasfleur wrote:

Can't argue with that Kazumi, that would be dreadful for sheep to die like that.

The sheep tails made me smile though because I've never seen sheep (like that) with long tails before.

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Tas - I didn't beleive my eyes - but saw these creatures - with tails - One Tree Hill - Auckland. 

[tasfleur]

What a beautiful picture domino, thanks for that xx

[rogespeed]

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@dontmissthese wrote:

Mostly restrict oldies to home quarantine after first establishing an efficient

home delivery system for essentials. 

Let all the young ones just go for it and get the economy rolling again.

Some will die but the flu also kills at about the same rate and it's usually

people with a pre-existing condition which makes them vulnerable so what

COVID-19 doesn't get the flu will.

For the most part it will be a mild case of the flu and we having been living

this way since the Spanish Flu pandemic.

The most vulnerable group ( oldies ) will be protected until a vaccine is developed.

We would have to FaceTime our relatives. A small price to pay for the good of mostly all.

Any oldies caught outdoors without an 'effective' face mask will be stripped of excursion rights.

The alternative is sending our country broke.

If put to a vote then most oldies ( including me ) would vote yes.

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Isolate the eldery and let the virus run it's course ? - basically like Equador at this time 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/coronavirus-cases-in-ecuador-top-10000-doubling-about-once-a-we...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-bodies-left-on-streets-for-days...

and with typhoid looming ?