An obvious fix for the pandemic.

[dontmissthese]

Mostly restrict oldies to home quarantine after first establishing an efficient

home delivery system for essentials. 

Let all the young ones just go for it and get the economy rolling again.

Some will die but the flu also kills at about the same rate and it's usually

people with a pre-existing condition which makes them vulnerable so what

COVID-19 doesn't get the flu will.

For the most part it will be a mild case of the flu and we having been living

this way since the Spanish Flu pandemic.

The most vulnerable group ( oldies ) will be protected until a vaccine is developed.

We would have to FaceTime our relatives. A small price to pay for the good of mostly all.

Any oldies caught outdoors without an 'effective' face mask will be stripped of excursion rights.

The alternative is sending our country broke.

If put to a vote then most oldies ( including me ) would vote yes.

[domino-710]

[tasfleur]

[ecar3483]

Understandably enough, there'll probably be a rise in the GST, as well as the excise paid on tobacco, fuel and alcohol.

The money, as people keep on saying, has to come from somewhere.

Speaking as a bloke, and I'm no expert on the subject, but having spent quite a bit of my time in the company of women, could I suggest that the current arrangement with the GST on feminine hygiene products remains as it is - they don't attract GST.

There's a difference, as I see it, between luxuries and necessities, and I'm sure that if were to consult the women in my life,  on that subject, they would wholeheartedly support me on that.

Anyway, back to the conversation...

🙂

[tasfleur]

Very good suggestion ecar .. here's hoping that common sense will prevail monumentally.

One thing I hate to see (via GST or whatever) is poor people getting poorer, especially if food costs rise to make it even harder for disadvantaged folks. 

[icyfroth]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

An increasing number of younger people are suggesting an obvious fix of their own. They are saying scr*w the oldies, they have lived their lives, now it's our turn. They are young, fit and healthy and are clearly invincible. At worst they will experience mild flu like symptoms. Why waste money protecting the oldies - lets think about the economy. The coronavirus is no threat to them. Let nature run it's course and make way for the young. After all, the future is theirs. 

Their fix is about on par with yours. If put to a vote, then many young people might vote yes.

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But the young can be carriers - so not social-isolating will eventually spread the disease to many infirm over 55 year olds

But they will recover and will have built immunity. Which they will pass on their children. If they have any.

Without testing , all pepole in customer service should be wearing masks to protect customers , just in case they are carriers , but of course no tests , no evidence , no examples , can not possibly happen - the ruby princess rationale 

Ulitmately, people will become infected. Most will recover, some won't.  

Life is a lottery ,not a guarantee.

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[icyfroth]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

As '' out there " as the OP's post is, it is highly likely to be the outcome regardless. It wont be stated by politicians or made obvious, it will just happen.

Most older people I know ( 70 + ) are already voluntarily isolating. I suspect most will keep isolating voluntarily until the virus no longer poses a threat. Governments around the world will start to remove restrictions in the months ahead as the train crash of economic oblivion that is heading our way becomes obvious to the public.

So what you will see is younger people out and about with some getting the virus and building herd immunity while the senior citizens self isolate at home.

We still don't have vaccines for SARS and MERS, two similar and most recent virus to COVID 19 and we cant all simply stay locked in our houses for years waiting in the hope that a vaccine will be developed for COVID 19.

The collateral loss of life from depression, loneliness, suicide, lack of regular medical care for other conditions ( as people are too afraid to attend medical clinics ) , domestic violence, rise in obesity and general mental health decline will be worse than the virus itself if this goes on for many months. Not to mention the collapse of our economic systems which will exacerbate the decline in mental health and suicide as well as causing threats to food stability. 

The threat to food stability is already happening as weedicide and fertiliser production and distribution have already been effected by international production and transport disruptions, as has transport and down stream processing of food products. Australian Wheat prices have currently spiked to near record levels as a result of looming world shortages being factored into international markets.

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Some sectors of the Australian economy is actually booming ie mining , as for the rest is a matter of adapting to the new realities and getting on with trading ie making availability of goods and services easier for consumers-in-local-isolation to access , rather than sitting on hands for govt subsistence support and waiting for pandemic to subside assuming that everything should be the same

Seize the moment and prosper !  

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Mining is ok for a quick fix, but in the long run will be no longer sustainable. After that, we might be left with a landscape that is poisoned and bereft of growth.

Which means we'll be dependant on exports from overseas. Like China.

It won't make up for agricultural growth, export, and local manufacturing, business.

[icyfroth]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morrison, Cormann and Frydenberg have already discussed raising the GST. It's a perfect scenario to "sell" it to the public.
What will be interesting is how the government’s going to recoup all that money. Will the general public bear the brunt while business gets an armchair ride,like what happened in the U.S during the GFC?

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The government has no hope of recouping the money if it closes down businesses that employs ppl and in turn funds ppl that are not productive and dependant on welfare anyway.

Sure, there'll be spending, but mainly for the benefit of large corporations like Woolworths,Coles, Aldi, Harvey Norman et al, who have international interests and sharholders.

Government needs to invest in local produce and infrastructure and create jobs for the young ppl languishing on welfare, to create taxes in order to fund future funds.

All very well to sell off land, agriculture and utilities to create funds, but eventually it'cant' help but run out. What then?

[icyfroth]

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@tasfleur wrote:

Behold!  Thusly regarding a "blither" 

Blither, blather and blether, nouns meaning nonsensical talk; the adjectives blithering and blathering; and the Ulster nouns, bletherskite, blatherskite blethermaskite and blatherumskite talkers of raimeis, can all be traced to Old Norse blathra, to speak indistinctly. Blither is the form used in midland English. Shakespeare would have spoken of blithering fools, while across the Border Rab Burns wrote of "stringing blethers up in rhyme for fools to sing".

From the internet .....  

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Ok.

But silly when faced with the global health and economic crisis we have ahead.

[bright.ton42]

What word would you prefer icy?