And so now he's gone....bye bye Novax

[imastawka]

Novak Djokovic has lost a bid to stay in Australia after the Federal Court upheld the government's decision to cancel the tennis star's visa.

The Federal Court hearing, expedited to take place the day before the Australian Open begins, is the culmination of a weeks-long saga over the Serb's visa.

The men's world number one arrived in Australia just before midnight on January 5, had his visa cancelled by Border Force officials shortly after, then had it reinstated by a Federal Circuit Court judge in a hearing last Monday.

Late on Friday, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke cancelled Djokovic's visa for a second time, citing "health and good order grounds".

Djokovic's lawyer's disputed that decision, taking it to court for judicial review.

The full bench of the federal court this evening ruled against Djokovic.

In the Federal Court today, Djokovic's lawyers accused the minister of producing no evidence to back his claim that Djokovic's presence in Australia would incite anti-vaccination sentiment. They also argued it was irrational, illogical or unreasonable for the minister not to consider that deporting Djokovic could whip up the same sentiment.

Djokovic's lawyer Nick Wood said Mr Hawke had misinterpreted media reports about Djokovic's views on vaccination, and the level of support he receives from anti-vaccination groups.

He was particularly critical of the minister's reliance on a BBC article as evidence Djokovic opposed vaccines. He argued the article was written before vaccines were available, and it actually showed Djokovic had an open mind and did not believe himself to be an expert. He criticised the minister's failure to ask Djokovic himself about his views.

But the minister's legal team argued there was ample evidence of Djokovic's "well-known stance" on vaccination — including the fact he had refused to get vaccinated himself – and that the minister had no obligation to ask Djokovic about his views.

They said Djokovic could not prove the minister had not considered the possibility that deporting him could also stir up anti-vaccination sentiment, and even if he did not consider that outcome, that would not amount to an error on his part.

Federal Court rules on Novak Djokovic's legal fight against visa cancellation (msn.com)

Will they keep him out for the three years?

Personally, I applaud the decision.

[padi*0409]

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely Protected for Life (theepochtimes.com)

Some are starting to read the tea leaves in favour of positive outcomes of naturally acquired immunity  for those that for many and varied  reasons have not been artificially-induced inoculated 

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so how do you explain Djokovic getting it TWICE?

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k1ooo, you should really believe what the Epoch Times tells you...............NOT..............

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-unsolicited-paper-spreads-outlandish-co...

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

I saw the Medvedev match tonight.

In the post-match interview Medvedev said that when he was in trouble in the match he said to himself “What would Novak do?”.  The crowd jeered!

Maybe being deported has saved Novak from some mental anguish as he so wants to be loved by tennis fans.

[rogespeed]

Abstract:

Coronvirus is not a poison , if you have survived a clinically proven infection then the nature of the human response to such is a measure of immunity thereafter 

Is a built in biological self protection mechanism that has served human kind for untold thousands of years , and while living with coronaviruses ie common cold and the other 70 trillion odd virus entities circulating around ones body at any given time 

reply : the source was not epoch times , that is the messenger organistion 

The source is the original clinical research studies that deal with the subject 

So before getting excited about fact checker determinations of the media organistion without subject qualification 

might be more informed to fact check this

SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans | Nature

and other clinical research associated with the epoch times online artical 

as per the links at the end of subject page 

[domino-710]

What - changing horses midstream - your link was :

If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely Protected for Life (theepochtimes.com)

Abstract - indeed.

If you have noticed - this virus - is new - different - global - and a killer.

So far - not one has proven - immune.

[springyzone]

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@rogespeed wrote:

Abstract:

Coronvirus is not a poison , if you have survived a clinically proven infection then the nature of the human response to such is a measure of immunity thereafter 

Is a built in biological self protection mechanism that has served human kind for untold thousands of years 

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We know it's not a poison, it's a virus.

And yes, after having it, a person would develop some antibodies, although how many may depend on how badly they had it.

Those antibodies are unlikely to give them lifelong immunity though, plus there is the fact there are a lot of variations of omicron virus floating around, which means reinfection is more likely than it was with delta.

And if we are talking about Novak, then  whether he had covid isn't the main point, it is that when you fill out a visa it has to be accurate and when you read the conditions of entry to a competition, you need to ensure you're eligible.

It's perfectly okay for him to complain that entry conditions were not fair etc etc but requirements around the world are going to differ, not every country is the same, he has to respect that.

[not_for_sale2025]

Lifelong protection is nonsense. If that were the case then why have some people had it two or more times? And what about future variants? Antibodies from the variants to date may not be effective on future variants!

[domino-710]

Does anyone - know anyone - who has a lifelong immunity to the flu??

[springyzone]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

Lifelong protection is nonsense. If that were the case then why have some people had it two or more times? And what about future variants? Antibodies from the variants to date may not be effective on future variants!

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Yes, that's what I said but roger seems to think otherwise.

And let's be honest, even double or triple vaccination against covid is no guarantee you won't get one of the omicron variants. In fact almost everyone I know who has had it (adults) has been vaccinated.

[rogespeed]

close enough at 84.5%  tested to >90 days with sound belief effectiveness increases beyond 

Also of note some reinfection results may have been skewed by ongoing internal viral shedding from original infection 

Reinfection Rates Among Patients Who Previously Tested Positive for Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Retr...

note other case studies on that page 

As per results is not unreasonable that prior infection qualifies for vaxxx status 

[imastawka]

How has this turned into a thread for vaccination stats?

Aren't there enough on the subject already?

Please pick one.

Anyone looking for stats will not be looking here.