on 17-04-2014 05:07 PM
on 18-04-2014 12:43 PM
Three names you overlooked from your list of “BADDIES” add these to your Libs + Nats
JOH BJELKE-PETERSEN – Premier of Queensland (NATIONAL) – tried for Perjury over his evidence to the royal commission; the jury failed to reach a verdict and Bjelke-Petersen was deemed too old to face a second trial, pity about that.
TERRY LEWIS – Queensland Police Commissioner (NATIONAL)- convicted and jailed for corruption and forgery as a result of the Fitzgerald Inquiry. He was stripped of his knighthood and other honours and awards in consequence.
GRAEME PARKER – Assistant Police Commissioner (NATIONAL) – named and shamed for accepting bribes.
on 18-04-2014 02:05 PM
@silverfaun wrote: Labor is the handout mentality that sees generations of families who have never worked continue to vote Labor.
Do you mean those who voted for the baby bonus?
Who introduced and increased it and who decreased it?
20-04-2014 06:46 PM - edited 20-04-2014 06:48 PM
@freakiness wrote:
@silverfaun wrote: Labor is the handout mentality that sees generations of families who have never worked continue to vote Labor.Do you mean those who voted for the baby bonus?
Who introduced and increased it and who decreased it?
And as they were fond of saying when Swann handed out the cash,all of it spent on pokies,smokes and liquor 🙂
on 20-04-2014 09:48 PM
"I note that your list of prosecuted politicians DOES have a majority of labor politicians by a small lead. However I also note that the majority of those Labor offences were for drink driving rather than for corruption. So actually (if you want to be pedantic)
"a majority of labor politicians by a small lead", 10 Lib/Nats compared to 16 ALP is "small" ? that is not being pedantic INAM, it is maths.
"However I also note that the majority of those Labor offences were for drink driving rather than for corruption. So actually (if you want to be pedantic), the Liberal baddies are somewhat ahead of the Labor baddies."
INAM I suggest you also "note" the total of the jail sentences imposed upon the ALP and LIB/Nats respectively are 68 years 3 months, and 10 years 3months. Of the ALP total, 32 years 8 months was handed down to 3 ALP parliamentarians for child sex offences
Perhps in light of the above INAM you would wish to amend (correct) your comment "the Liberal baddies are somewhat ahead of the Labor baddies".
DY and B1G splutter, obviously, that they only wish to debate corruption (sans figures) and not a mention of criminal history, sentencing, or child sex offences, where the ALP pollies are well in the lead.
"Things like drink driving, while illegal, is not corruption", true B1G, but your desire to exclusively highlight corruption pales into significance when you "note" the child sex offences by the ALP politicians.
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PS
B1G, while you are intent on debating just corruption in politics you should include the trade union movement as it is indistinguishable from the ALP. Perhaps not, as in a poll: "The media, trade unions and political parties are seen as Australia’s most corrupt institutions" In that order !
20-04-2014 10:00 PM - edited 20-04-2014 10:02 PM
PS
B1G, while you are intent on debating just corruption in politics you should include the trade union movement as it is indistinguishable from the ALP. Perhaps not, as in a poll: "The media, trade unions and political parties are seen as Australia’s most corrupt institutions" In that order !
"as in a poll", seriously is that it, polls are as meaningless as the constant deflection from the conservatives. Not that I blame them, what is there for them to defend and crow about, their favoured government has been proving daily that the people who voted for them were sold a dud, a destructive, looking just a bit corrupt, stinking dud. Thanks monman12 for reminding me to start a new thread, Diary of our stinking Govt.
on 20-04-2014 10:23 PM
on 20-04-2014 11:04 PM
"seriously is that it, polls are as meaningless as the constant deflection from the conservatives. Not that I blame them"
Actually B1G it was a survey titled Perceptions of corruption and ethical conduct and produced by the Australian National University’s Research School of Social Sciences
You have to admit though, trade unions do fit in well as number 2 after the winners, media, as those perceived as being corrupt institutions.
"the constant deflection from the conservatives" Deflection " pointing out that the ALP politicians have notched up more jail sentences/time than the Libs, and among them are 3 child sex convictions? priorities spring to mind!
"Thanks monman12 for reminding me to start a new thread, Diary of our stinking Govt.", "start" B1G?, you have done nothing but display and voice PPTSD symptoms since the Poor Me and Kevin circus act was kicked out of the political ring. cathartic springs to mind.
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on 21-04-2014 09:59 AM
@monman12 wrote:"seriously is that it, polls are as meaningless as the constant deflection from the conservatives. Not that I blame them"
Actually B1G it was a survey titled Perceptions of corruption and ethical conduct and produced by the Australian National University’s Research School of Social Sciences
You have to admit though, trade unions do fit in well as number 2 after the winners, media, as those perceived as being corrupt institutions.
"the constant deflection from the conservatives" Deflection " pointing out that the ALP politicians have notched up more jail sentences/time than the Libs, and among them are 3 child sex convictions? priorities spring to mind!
"Thanks monman12 for reminding me to start a new thread, Diary of our stinking Govt.", "start" B1G?, you have done nothing but display and voice PPTSD symptoms since the Poor Me and Kevin circus act was kicked out of the political ring. cathartic springs to mind.
nɥºɾ
The jury's out on who is the most corrupt, it's out there every day, the lies, rorts, failures and corruption from Labor is "proven".
So all the hyperventaliting by the leftists on here is "deflection" from what they know as the total failure of Labor in govt, the total failure to be honest and the total failure of labor to have a credible argument on anything.
labor has been proven to be corrupt all the way to the top, all the way to the Executive and all the way to elected officials and Unions.
There is no argument here Labor won hands down.
on 21-04-2014 10:04 AM
You're spot on Spot - Bjelke-Petersen himself was charged with perjury in respect of evidence given to the inquiry. The jury in the case remained deadlocked. In 1992 it was revealed that the jury foreman, Luke Shaw, was a member of the Young Nationals and was identified with the "Friends of Joh" movement.
on 21-04-2014 10:30 AM
Grangegate and the Lobbyists' Party
The Barry O'Farrell resignation reminds us that the Liberal Party has no purpose other than to enrich its sponsors and mates, writes Bob Ellis.
Eighteen months ago, Pyne and Abbott ran out of the chamber to avoid the toxic vote of a man who had spent $6,000 inappropriately.
On Thursday, O’Farrell vacated his position, the second most important in the land, because of $3,000 spent inappropriately on a bottle of wine.
Mike Baird cannot now have long as leader after Sarah Ferguson asked him did Nick Di Girolamo give him campaign money and get from him, in return, a job he couldn’t do very well; the same Nick Di Girolamo who spent buckets of money on lavish living — taxpapers’ money, that is.
Arthur Sinodinos cannot now have long as a Senator after accepting from Nick Di Girolamo $20 million dollars if he ‘persuaded’ O’Farrell to give their sewage company a contract.
Hockey and Abbott may not have long as MPs if, as is likely, Di Girolamo gave money to their campaigns, money stolen, that is, from the New South Wales taxpayer. The vultures are circling, the jackals detect the smell of blood on the wind, and the Liberal Party itself may not survive the year.
For the Liberal Party is the Lobbyists’ Party, it has no other moral purpose any more. It is there to give contracts to mates who build the airport, and the roads to and from it, and positions to crooks like Di Girolamo who kick back money to it.
Nick Greiner, wonderfully, said on Thursday that "of course" he would have accepted a $3,000 bottle of wine, it was how lobbying worked, by which he meant how bribery worked.