Are you a sinner?

[the_bob_delusion]

If so, do you deserve to go to hell?

Discuss.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Could be a very short lived thread. lol

sinner

/ˈsɪnə/

noun

1. a person who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.

Yes. With the exception of Jesus of Nazareth, everyone ever born of a woman is a sinner – whether male or female, young or old, Jew or Gentile. (Adam and Eve were created sinless, but they soon sinned.)

As for Hell - one would have to believe there was a Heaven.

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How does a baby transgresse against the divine law?

Are you saying "everyone born of a woman" is already a sinner? Jesus was born from a woman.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Did you know that only 3 of the 10 commandments are enforcable by law here in Australia?. 

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Shouldn't it be 10 out of 10 of the commandments? That's like saying God's law isn't really that important. 

[domino-710]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@domino-710 wrote:

Could be a very short lived thread. lol

sinner

/ˈsɪnə/

noun

1. a person who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.

Yes. With the exception of Jesus of Nazareth, everyone ever born of a woman is a sinner – whether male or female, young or old, Jew or Gentile. (Adam and Eve were created sinless, but they soon sinned.)

As for Hell - one would have to believe there was a Heaven.

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How does a baby transgresse against the divine law?

Are you saying "everyone born of a woman" is already a sinner? Jesus was born from a woman.

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You are able to read - the quotes.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@domino-710 wrote:

Could be a very short lived thread. lol

sinner

/ˈsɪnə/

noun

1. a person who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.

Yes. With the exception of Jesus of Nazareth, everyone ever born of a woman is a sinner – whether male or female, young or old, Jew or Gentile. (Adam and Eve were created sinless, but they soon sinned.)

As for Hell - one would have to believe there was a Heaven.

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How does a baby transgresse against the divine law?

Are you saying "everyone born of a woman" is already a sinner? Jesus was born from a woman.

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According to Catholic doctrine we are all born with the stain of original sin (Adam's sin) on our souls. this debars us from heaven and the only way it can be lifted is by baptism.

The ony exception to this rule was Mary. She was concieved free from original sin and it to this and not the virgin birth that he term 'immaculate conception' actually refers.

[not_for_sale2025]

There have been lots of miraculous births reported in various writings e.g. Mithra, Isaac and Vishnu. We refer to those claims as "mythology", but they regard Christianity as mythology. It all depends on what one believes. The Christian God/ God of Abraham is far from alone as the divine creator. In fact there may be many heavens, paradises etc., if you believe in that stuff.

[domino-710]

The only thing you can be sure of - is - a one way ticket.

[davewil1964]

Your premise is flawed.

Hell and heaven are for unreconstructed believers in imaginary friends.

Of course most of the Ten Commandments aren't law. They are a moralistic 'do as I say' attempt by religion to control life, not actual crimes. Or necessarily sins.

[domino-710]

I must admit I was not too concerned about coveting my neighbours ass. lol

[davewil1964]

Good thing you're not American. It has a whole other connotation there.

[zanadoo_56]

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@domino-710 wrote:

I must admit I was not too concerned about coveting my neighbours ass. lol

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That's the first commandment that came to my mind too. LOL

And speaking of commandments:

Old Catholic joke told by a priest during a sermon: There was a not particularly holy priest who complained during his sermon that someone had stolen his bicycle.  He berated the congregation and told them he would remind them of the commandments and by the 10th one he expected someone to own up to stealing the bike...and would then return it to him. 

However he related how it went later to his fellow priest ending with, 'I got as far as the 7th commandment....then I remembered where I left my bike.'

For those not familiar with the 10 Commandments, the 7th Commandment is: Thou shalt not commit adultery.