Are you a sinner?

[the_bob_delusion]

If so, do you deserve to go to hell?

Discuss.

[twyngwyn]

This might interest you:

https://www.penguin.com.au/books/jesus-of-the-apocalypse-9781742747286

[lyhargr_0]

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@tasfleur wrote:

This subject has really spiked my interest so I have ordered both those books via Kindle today (thanks lyhargr).

It just may reinforce what I think about the whole Jesus story; that is to say, I do believe he existed but was not a god, was not born of a virgin, was crucified but didn't come back to life, and most likely certainly was an incredibly charasmatic man who had a lot to say and do that was important to him, but perhaps more importantly, to his followers who felt they needed such a leader.

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I feel similarly to you. I have read The Bible from cover to cover and was far more confused when I put it down. But what stood out to me was His messages about love, caring, the value of each person and forgiveness. I just happened to agree with Him, irrespective of who He was or wasn't. What I have found ironic however is some of the rudest, nastiest and cruelest people I have met were self-professed Christians. I guess they missed His messages!

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The nicest, most caring Christians I have ever met, have never set foot in a church

[the_great_she_elephant]

I have no problem with personal faith. It can make you a better person and be a source of enormous strength and comfort in times of grief or need. It's only when it becomes discriminatory and dictatorial that it causes harm. I rather like the Wiccan  Rede: 'An' it harm none, do what ye will'. 

It's good to see more posters getting interested in the Apocryphal gospels. Once we've all got our books, maybe we can start a dedicated thread to discuss our findings

[tasfleur]

I'll look forward to that she-elephant, I think it could be a very meaningful discussion.

[domino-710]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

The nicest, most caring Christians I have ever met, have never set foot in a church

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This is totally worth a repeat. 

[lyhargr_0]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I have no problem with personal faith. It can make you a better person and be a source of enormous strength and comfort in times of grief or need. It's only when it becomes discriminatory and dictatorial that it causes harm. I rather like the Wiccan  Rede: 'An' it harm none, do what ye will'. 

It's good to see more posters getting interested in the Apocryphal gospels. Once we've all got our books, maybe we can start a dedicated thread to discuss our findings

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Great idea Elephant ................... bty the I hope the print in your book is a tad bigger than it is in ours

[the_bob_delusion]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

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@tasfleur wrote:

This subject has really spiked my interest so I have ordered both those books via Kindle today (thanks lyhargr).

It just may reinforce what I think about the whole Jesus story; that is to say, I do believe he existed but was not a god, was not born of a virgin, was crucified but didn't come back to life, and most likely certainly was an incredibly charasmatic man who had a lot to say and do that was important to him, but perhaps more importantly, to his followers who felt they needed such a leader.

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I feel similarly to you. I have read The Bible from cover to cover and was far more confused when I put it down. But what stood out to me was His messages about love, caring, the value of each person and forgiveness. I just happened to agree with Him, irrespective of who He was or wasn't. What I have found ironic however is some of the rudest, nastiest and cruelest people I have met were self-professed Christians. I guess they missed His messages!

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The nicest, most caring Christians I have ever met, have never set foot in a church

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And have never read the bible properly.

[not_for_sale2025]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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The nicest, most caring Christians I have ever met, have never set foot in a church

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And have never read the bible properly.

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How do you read the Bible "properly"? Is it with an open mind, cynically, historically or from a position of faith? I can only assume from your statement that you believe you have read the Bible properly. So how did you approach it Bob? What is the "proper" way?

[myoclon1cjerk]

Perhaps Bob had a grain of salt nearby.

[sandypebbles]

Or a Lot