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the_bob_delusion · ‎27-12-2020

If so, do you deserve to go to hell?

Discuss.

myoclon1cjerk · ‎29-12-2020

https://youtu.be/xOLaERMCUsM

https://youtu.be/-EP1gw_q2WM

lyhargr_0 · ‎29-12-2020

@davewil1964 wrote:
Faith is the operative.

Evidence is unnecessary when you have faith.

Thus heaven and hell exist for true believers of Christianity.

And not for adherents to other religions.

Therefore this thread is about Christianity, something bob would seem to be reluctant about evincing. In his OP would have been a good time to do so.

Muslims believe in heaven, hell and sin ............... Most Jews belive the same ...................

lyhargr_0 · ‎29-12-2020

@lyhargr_0 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
not-for-sale wrote: Are you aware that His divinity was written into the Bible centuries after the original gospels were compiled?

How soon after the death of Jesus were these original gospels compiled? Are they still available to be read? And if not, how do we know what was actually in them?
I suggest you get yourself a copy of The Apocryphal New Testament, it "may" answer these questions

bty elephant, "The Thomas Gospel " you refer to is contained in this book as are many other Gospels which are not in the authorised Bible

the_great_she_elephant · ‎29-12-2020

@lyhargr_0 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
not-for-sale wrote: Are you aware that His divinity was written into the Bible centuries after the original gospels were compiled?

How soon after the death of Jesus were these original gospels compiled? Are they still available to be read? And if not, how do we know what was actually in them?
I suggest you get yourself a copy of The Apocryphal New Testament, it "may" answer these questions

Thanks for that Lythargr. I was vaguely aware of the apocryphal gospels but dind't really know what they were. I've now done a bit of Googling but it's very hard to find a non religious website that discusses them. This is the best I've managed so far.

https://www.bethinking.org/is-the-bible-reliable/are-the-apocryphal-gospels-true

There still seems to be some debate on whether or not they actually precede the 'canonical' gospels, and there is a suggestion that some of the writers may have had their own particular point to prove.

I think I'll take your advice and get myself a copy.

lyhargr_0 · ‎29-12-2020

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@lyhargr_0 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
not-for-sale wrote: Are you aware that His divinity was written into the Bible centuries after the original gospels were compiled?

How soon after the death of Jesus were these original gospels compiled? Are they still available to be read? And if not, how do we know what was actually in them?
I suggest you get yourself a copy of The Apocryphal New Testament, it "may" answer these questions
Thanks for that Lythargr. I was vaguely aware of the apocryphal gospels but dind't really know what they were. I've now done a bit of Googling but it's very hard to find a non religious website that discusses them. This is the best I've managed so far.
https://www.bethinking.org/is-the-bible-reliable/are-the-apocryphal-gospels-true

There still seems to be some debate on whether or not they actually precede the 'canonical' gospels, and there is a suggestion that some of the writers may have had their own particular point to prove.

I think I'll take your advice and get myself a copy.

Elephant The Copy we have here is titled The Apocryphal New Testament translated by Monatgue Rhodes James. According to hubs it is one of the better translations.

He also suggested ( if you are interested ) to take a look at some of the writings of Flavius Josephus

www.gutenberg.org/files/2848/2848-h/2848-h.htm