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@chameleon54 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@martinw-48 wrote:what the PM didnt tell us was where hes going to find thousands of trained doctors and nurses ect to staff these places.
do we have lots of unemployed doctors and nurses ect just waiting for a call?
We have plenty of under employed doctors and nurses. My sister is a senior nurse who chooses to only work two days a week in her specialist field, but has extensive experience in emergency. My GP only works around twenty hours per week as he is nearing retirement. There would be tens of thousands of other staff like these all around the country.
As mentioned the PM has called on all recently retired or permanently " on leave " medical staff to register on a central data base to be called upon should they be needed. He specifically mentioned staff who may have moved out of the medical profession for other life choices such as woman parenting kids. The government has also put in place measures to cancel all medical staff leave if required. Considering most medical staff have 4 - 6 weeks leave per year, this immediately increases staffing availability by 10%. Add in a much tighter and more demanding rostering system and you could very easily lift staffing by 30%-40%. More draconian measures could see higher levels achieved.
Farmers regularly work 16 hour shifts, seven days a week during seeding and harvest periods lasting 6 - 8 weeks ( similar to the peak of a pandemic ) without too many issues with fatigue etc. Much longer than that and fatigue DOES become an issue. At the peak of a pandemic, medical staff could be rostered extensively under a state of emergency, staffing the extra hospitals. Would they like it ? probably not, but in an extreme emergency, similar to war, the public would get behind and support them and it could it be done.
you making a lot of asumtions
that you know of a nuse who chooses to work 2 days a week so there must be plenty of them right?
who knows, it could be hardly any.
and then they cant be forced to work.
then there are the 'made the choice to take care of their kids'
so you expect women who have young children to go to work in an enviroment where they may catch a serious virus?
a lot of if and ands, i realise medical people will often put themselves at risk for others but to demand it?
not on sir!
The states already have the power to " Demand it " under their state of emergency legislation. Each state is different, but I have included a link to Victoria's legislation. ( Victoria has ALREADY declared the COVID - 19 virus a state of emergency ). If you follow it through and click further links in the legislation you will find the Government already has legislative power to force medical staff currently under employment to work when they are told and for as long as they are told.
This legislation over rides any work place agreements or existing legislation applicable in non state of emergency situations. Basically in a state of emergency the nominated government minister has full control over all existing public servants, including over riding their personal liberty even if in contravention with their constituational rights. ie. The state of emergency legislation over rides the constituational rights of the individual..
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ema1986190/s24.html
If you want to check it out and verify that what I have posted is correct, look to section S.24 (2) (c) part 3, section A & B
Section "B" shows how a state of emergency over rides any other laws.
The legislation defines a " government agency " as follows (c) any person in the service of the Crown in the right of the State of Victoria upon whom any function, power, duty or responsibility is conferred by or under any Act;
The State clearly already has the power to " demand it " ( medical staff to work when instructed regardless of whether it suits them or not ) and may need to excercise these powers to staff any new emergency facilities opened to manage the COVID - 19 crisis.
I rest my case.....
Are all medically trained staff in the service of the Crown???
I'm not interested in politics and wouldn't know left from right or what a socialist is so I skipped all that bit. I'm not arguing about anything and I'm not particularly concerned about the virus.
@brerrabbit585 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:
@martinw-48 wrote:what the PM didnt tell us was where hes going to find thousands of trained doctors and nurses ect to staff these places.
do we have lots of unemployed doctors and nurses ect just waiting for a call?
We have plenty of under employed doctors and nurses. My sister is a senior nurse who chooses to only work two days a week in her specialist field, but has extensive experience in emergency. My GP only works around twenty hours per week as he is nearing retirement. There would be tens of thousands of other staff like these all around the country.
As mentioned the PM has called on all recently retired or permanently " on leave " medical staff to register on a central data base to be called upon should they be needed. He specifically mentioned staff who may have moved out of the medical profession for other life choices such as woman parenting kids. The government has also put in place measures to cancel all medical staff leave if required. Considering most medical staff have 4 - 6 weeks leave per year, this immediately increases staffing availability by 10%. Add in a much tighter and more demanding rostering system and you could very easily lift staffing by 30%-40%. More draconian measures could see higher levels achieved.
Farmers regularly work 16 hour shifts, seven days a week during seeding and harvest periods lasting 6 - 8 weeks ( similar to the peak of a pandemic ) without too many issues with fatigue etc. Much longer than that and fatigue DOES become an issue. At the peak of a pandemic, medical staff could be rostered extensively under a state of emergency, staffing the extra hospitals. Would they like it ? probably not, but in an extreme emergency, similar to war, the public would get behind and support them and it could it be done.
you making a lot of asumtions
that you know of a nuse who chooses to work 2 days a week so there must be plenty of them right?
who knows, it could be hardly any.
and then they cant be forced to work.
then there are the 'made the choice to take care of their kids'
so you expect women who have young children to go to work in an enviroment where they may catch a serious virus?
a lot of if and ands, i realise medical people will often put themselves at risk for others but to demand it?
not on sir!
The states already have the power to " Demand it " under their state of emergency legislation. Each state is different, but I have included a link to Victoria's legislation. ( Victoria has ALREADY declared the COVID - 19 virus a state of emergency ). If you follow it through and click further links in the legislation you will find the Government already has legislative power to force medical staff currently under employment to work when they are told and for as long as they are told.
This legislation over rides any work place agreements or existing legislation applicable in non state of emergency situations. Basically in a state of emergency the nominated government minister has full control over all existing public servants, including over riding their personal liberty even if in contravention with their constituational rights. ie. The state of emergency legislation over rides the constituational rights of the individual..
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ema1986190/s24.html
If you want to check it out and verify that what I have posted is correct, look to section S.24 (2) (c) part 3, section A & B
Section "B" shows how a state of emergency over rides any other laws.
The legislation defines a " government agency " as follows (c) any person in the service of the Crown in the right of the State of Victoria upon whom any function, power, duty or responsibility is conferred by or under any Act;
The State clearly already has the power to " demand it " ( medical staff to work when instructed regardless of whether it suits them or not ) and may need to excercise these powers to staff any new emergency facilities opened to manage the COVID - 19 crisis.
I rest my case.....
Are all medically trained staff in the service of the Crown???
I'm not interested in politics and wouldn't know left from right or what a socialist is so I skipped all that bit. I'm not arguing about anything and I'm not particularly concerned about the virus.
The flip side of having your education paid for or partially paid for by the Govt and/or also being employed by the public service.
Then regardless of public or private service there is the Australian "fair go" culture which would expect appropriate support by those qualified in the time of crisis, which is defined by the requirement of addressing the "fair go" for patients in critical need., the " fair go" universal expectation of timely and effective medical care
