Banging on and on about rights.......

[poddster]

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

[chameleon54]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

What I have said and will continue to say is that there is employment IF you want to work,

Absolute rubbish, many with a university degree cannot get a job. Before you say but they could pick apples there aren't apple trees where I live, should every unemployed person with a degree move to Tasmania? Be honest about it poddy, there is something seriously wrong with the lack of jobs, not workers.

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I agree there is a serious lack of employment opportunities and youth unemployment is scary. Having said that all but one of the teenagers in my extended family have found work. Its not always glamorous. One 21 year old has been working at Maccas since he left school. He now does the graveyard shift, 10 pm. to 6.00 am. Not great, but its a job and kudos to him for accepting it.

Another has just completed a carpenters trainieship. I gather he was only paid a bit over $300 a week in his first year, but he stuck at it. A couple of others have part time jobs doing bar work and working as labourers in the vineyard vintage season.

My 15 year old son who has mental health problems and would be a prime dole candidate decided he wanted an after school job earlier this week. . It took him two days to land his first job, and he wrote the application and took care of the interview ( clothes, taxi there etc. ) himself. Its only flipping burgers at KFC, but he has got a great work ethic and he is as proud as punch with himself.

There are many people who genuinely need our social security safety net and some of those have posted on this discussion.  There are huge numbers of genuinly unemployed ( youth and older workers ), people with disabilities, single mums with young kids, older retirees etc,  I dont think the OP was reffering to them. ( at least I hope not )

 Like Poddy, I believe there are many others who choose to accept long term payments as they are either too proud to accept the jobs that are available or are just too plain lazy to support themselves and their family.

The biggest problem with this is that these people take benefits that should be going to those that genuinly need the support. This means there is less money to go around and the genuine people only recieve a poverty line pittance which to be honest can strip them of dignity and hope, compounding the challenges they already face. 

I agree that the major corporations and super rich are freeloading as well, but at least in most cases they are actually doing something, producing something, providing employment opportunities etc. The social security freeloaders are not contributing anything to society and are taking funds and services from those that genuinly need them.

[poddster]

The most significant difference is that the post war refugees were invited and had been processed and passed, most current ones try to force their way into the country in an unlawful manner without documentation and have to be locked up. meanwhile the taxpayer foots the bill for their incarceration.

If someone wants to immigrate to Australia, use the legal systems provided and become a part of the Australian community

[j*oono]

You remind me very much of Jack vanTongeren.  All take and no give.

[myoclon1cjerk]

I'm quite happy to foot the bill if it means they don't get decapitated,blown up or abused by ISIS or the Taliban. Never been a big fan of the White Australia Policy.Pass me the halwa and dates,please. 🙂

[gleee58]

I believe there are many others who choose to accept long term payments as they are either too proud to accept the jobs that are available or are just too plain lazy to support themselves and their family.

If they're on benefits they have to apply for jobs and accept if offered, regardless of what it is.  Often if they have never had a job they struggle to get accepted for a rolewhen there are plenty of those with a work record available. It  can become a vicious circle which leads to despair and marginalisation. 

[poddster]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:

I'm quite happy to foot the bill if it means they don't get decapitated,blown up or abused by ISIS or the Taliban. Never been a big fan of the White Australia Policy.Pass me the halwa and dates,please. 🙂

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For how many are you happy to foot the bill?

1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000 or even more?

You have not thought it through have you?

What if you were asked to put your money where your mouth is to substantiate your boast?

[poddster]

In fact lets put it to the test.

The cost of one illegal immigrant in detention stands at $239,000 per year and, but lets not go over board.

You have claimed that you are happy to foot the bill, what about you footing the bill for just one thousandth of the total for 1 for one year, that is just $239.

Donate that amount to any authority that is aiding refugees and post the receipt here you can obliterate you name, as long as it is dated between now and, say 1 week.

Remember that is just 1/1000 of the cost for just one.

[morgana2408]

yes no mention of father. Men get of scott free.Just blame women

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@nevynreally wrote:

Happened to watch CA last night. There are many out there like that mother and daughter, so many excuses for not being able to work.

Left previous job because I was stressed, now have a child, have to be there for them (no mention of the father), can't afford childcare, yet mother and daughter and collective kids live in the same house. One could work, the other could look after the kids. But it's much easier just taking the payments. 

Even working part time indicates that someone is not after a free ride.

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[morgana2408]

YOU ARE I DON"T HAVE THE WORD.Lowering  the min wage. people have  barely getting by as it is and you want tot take more. My husband works hard and your an a.........

[poddster]

I take my hat off to those who are working hard, It is the ones who are living off the ones who are working hard that need to get off their butt and earn their keep.

Every one goes on about "but there are not enough jobs to go around", yes work is less plentiful but there still positions that need to be filled that no one is willing to do.

Most are looking for that cushie job that pays a mint and will not take anything that they consider is below them so they languish on the dole waiting for  the elusive cushie job to be handed to them on a silver platter.

The unions priced workers out of a job and we are now on a downward spiral to becoming a country that depends on welfare.

No one needs to get alarmed though there will be enough in power to make sure that welfare is paid...................for a while at least, and when everyone is totally dependent those powers will emerge to take full control of the country, its resources and its land, a bloodless war.

In fact that has already begun, just look at the debt the country is in, just look at the debt that individuals have.

We have resources that the world craves, resources that we can not defend, but that is ok we have allies that will take it when the time is right. In the meantime we are encouraged to spend up big , all on credit.

When the piper has to be paid, who will be the ones who survive?

Give it some thought