Banging on and on about rights.......

[poddster]

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

[poddster]

Its ok, wilks is just attempting to have a thinly veiled sarcastic comment aimed at me. Very typical an a failure, as usual. 🙂

[wilk1149]

You can think everything is about you but I was responding to super nova

[donnashuggy]

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@poddster wrote:

Do you tolerate the fact that a large percentage of recipients are ripping off the genuine needy persons ?

Is that acceptable to you?

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What is this large percentage? And by how much?

I'm actually more tolerant of poor people doing it than rich not paying taxes. 

[poddster]

tsk tsk tsk wilks

the facts prove you wrong

in reply to poddster

on ‎21-03-201503:02 PM

Funny, the farmers out here if they have degrees they must be in being stupid racist drunken native species shooting experts

[poddster]

Funny, the farmers out here if they have degrees they must be in being stupid racist drunken native species shooting experts

[wilk1149]

Yep poddy I'm also watching you right now and recording everything you do. I'm using a phone and just write in the box at the end of the posts

[bella_again]

wow what a thread!!!  I can understand everyones differing opinions, I still don't agree that the majority are bludgers and that there is job out there.  If there was then we wouldn't have the level of unemployment that we do. No can yet explain to me how 149,000 jobs fits snugly into employing  725,000.  When that can be solved then the issue is solved.

There are many honest hardworking people out there who are searching for work but haven't found it.  It is wrong to assume that people on benefits don't contribute to society, the majority I know do.  They volunteer, they are at the schools helping out, they are foster carers, they are visiting the elderly or they genuinely caring for loved ones.

Such a shame we cant see past our own prejudices because really that is what it is to make an assumption that everyone on benefits is lazy. There are so many wonderful people who are in unfortunate circumstances such a shame that we can't focus on supporting them.

[chameleon54]

I,m not sure where you got the idea that people are saying the majority of people on welfare are bludgers who dont contribute to society. I have followed the thread from the start and I cant see where anyone has written that. Most posters have acknowledged that there are many very genuine people who need to access welfare payment.

One huge slab of this is the elderly who dont have large sums in superannuation. In their working lives it was assumed you paid taxes and in your retirement you recieved the age pension. Many of these people have a wealth of experience and skills that they bring to charities and community organisations, many of which would not be able to operate without the help of retired pensioners. Many genuinely unemployed ( especially older unemployed ) also contribute to society in this way.

My concern is that there is a large and it would appear growing number of people who have found it is easier to take welfare payments ( often supplemented with money from the cash economy ), pay no tax and who do not volunteer for community work. These people are clogging up the system, taking services and cash that should be available for those who genuinly need it. The end result is genuine welfare recipients are living below the poverty line, waiting for hours on the phone or at centrelink offices for services etc.

Having a signifigant group of people bludge off of the system is neither fair to taxpayers or to the genuine people who need to access welfare payments. It also further stigmatises genuine welfare recipients as they get lumped in with the bludgers in converstations such as this.

[bella_again]

Well you only need to scroll back to pages earlier in the thread where that was said and that they wished that there was no welfare.  Seems some would prefer the most vulnerable starve on the streets.  I am sorry I don't have the time to scroll back and re read every post, once was enough lol!

I don't understand where are the significant and large number of people bludging off the system? Where have you got that idea from exactly?  I honestly must live in a totally different part of the world because I see very little of that.  20,000 are under income management at the moment are considered to be problematic that seems to me to be a very small minority.

Why would you punish the majority because of the minority exactly? The reality exists that while many might think that there are those that are not contributing to society, you don't know their personal circumstances, we don't know how many jobs they have applied for or what might be happening.  All we know is there are only 149,000 odd jobs to approx 725,000 unemployed.  So even if they want a job there is not one for every single person. simple.  They are competing in a very difficult market.

Just because people meet 1 or 2 or 3 or even 20 people doing the wrong thing it does not mean everyone does.

I just do not believe you can tar and feather the majority for the actions of the minority.  Deal with them on an individual basis not everyone else.  It is wrong to bring policy in that disempowers people further. Deal with the ones who do the wrong thing and leave the rest alone.

[lionrose.7]

I wonder if the retirement age was made lower not higher this might free up a few jobs for the younger generation.

[bella_again]

That's a good point lionrose.  I wonder why we are not doing more to accommodate younger people in terms of more assistance before they leave school and after they leave school to ensure that any barriers to employment are broken down.  If we targeted the younger generation ina positive way we can engage more into the workforce and perhaps start to break down some of the issues associated with generational dependence in terms of welfare.

The govt seems once again to be talking about getting more women into the the work force and concentrating on the older people which is all well and good but I think the real issue is with youth unemployment that is in some places is around 20% Target that and we can change a whole lot in terms of the future of this country.

I am not saying other issues shouldn't be addressed but this is clearly a priority.