Banging on and on about rights.......

[poddster]

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

[wilk1149]

I for one know that there are no where near as many receiving unemployment benefit while working than there were in 2000. I had lost my job in a sawmill due to my appendix rupturing and not being able to lift anything for the next six months. I had to enrol at a job network agency and shortly after we were called to a meeting. There would have been nearly forty people at that meeting and we had to sign up for an eight week course in job search techniques. Only twelve of us ended up at the course as the rest all worked for cash in shearing sheds. Some of these people were from my town and I new they were frauds and it was good to see them no longer get money they didn't deserve. Especially as I was desperately trying to pay my mortgage on unemployment benefit. All of these frauds were also getting rent relief and basically getting the government to fund their excessive beer drinking

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yes they are exploiting the system and then there are those that don't. The systemj of checks and balances that weed out those people might not be working but the assistance it gives the genuine needy is. So we are stuck with a very thin line between those we need to help and the knowledge that not everyone of them deserves that help

[***super_nova***]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I don't envy any person that lives off the system by choice, equally I don't envy anyone in genuine need for employment and cannot find work, I don't envy the sick or anyone that is getting welfare. Some people use services more than others - this will always be the case.

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Nothing is fair.  i have paid all my life myriad of insurance policies; house and contents, car, travel, medical, and I have never ever made a single claim.  It is not fair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I paid all that money, and I got nothing, while other people got $100s of thousands just because their house burned down; I bet it burned down because they were not careful enough.  Life is so unfair  😞   And I paid taxes all my life and never got the dole .............

[chameleon54]

It is a tough gig and with 30% of youth either unemployed or under-employed it is a huge problem. ( and thats not counting all of those at uni or TAFE, filling in time because there are so few jobs available ). I do wonder if too much emphasis is placed on higher education, with many kids who are just not equiped for study feeling compelled to go to uni, when they may be better getting an entry level job and working their way up from there.

Our son has been proffesionally IQ tested and is in the top 20% of population, but with his mental health problems we just want to get him out of school and into full time work ASAP. This may mean leaving school at 16. Without his "issues" he would have almost certianly gone on to a uni type proffesional career. He may still get the proffesional career as there are a couple of things in the wind, but just not through the traditional uni path.

Our younger daughter is only average at school but has an incredible work ethic and plenty of "street smarts" that you cant get from school. ( also called common sense ) . We would be happy for her to leave school post year 12 as uni is just not for her.

In the case of both our kids, higher education is not the answer for them and there are probably plenty of other kids who feel presured to attend uni who would be much better off entering the workforce at a younger age.

Society needs to value all professions, not just the ones which carry a piece of paper. For years farmers have been stigmatised by the stereotype of the baggy clothed yokal with the straw in his mouth and a big worn hat, driving a beat up old tractor without any cab.

Farmers today need to be very intelligent and highly computer savvy as the expensive machines used are all computer controlled now. Their produce is traded on international commodity markets with farmers contracting directly with multi-national companies using instruments such as forward contracts, hedges against currency movements and contracts of difference for seasonal issues. Most urban people still dont see this and the yokal stigma continues today. This means few young people want to enter this exciting industry as it is just not valued highly by society. ( no uni degree required )

[***super_nova***]

But to become farmer you need land and machinery, and know what you are doing too.  You cannot just decide to be a farmer.  I am sure that many farmers who inherited land from their fathers, went to agriculture college and have degrees. 

[lal-au0]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Here's a post I picked up off Facebook by a "United Australia" a minute ago which I totally agree with:

About 35 short years ago we had Jobs everywhere, we had Iron Ore and great steel industries, we had ship building, Car manufacturing, we built TV’s, radio’s, wa...shing machines, lawn mowers, hills hoists & furniture manufacturing.

 We built Car parts and we even made our own tyres!

We had fishing ports and cheap Petrol that was made at Stanvac SA, Bulimba Brisbane. Mortlake Sydney Refinery’s from oil brought from Bass Strait, North West Shelf and Timor Sea.

We built Aircraft, Boats and Buses. Locomotive diesel electric trains as well as the tracks and everything was “PROUDLY MADE IN AUSTRALIA”! We had Corner stores and Hardware shops all over the city and country.

We had work available as a driveway attendant at all our local Service Stations. And at ALL these places you could find a JOB!!!

We had PUBLIC UTILITIES like Power Stations, Water & Gas which would employ thousand around the Country.

Then Government sold our soul and started to Corporatise itself and began to compete instead of Govern.

Then we started going down hill! All our companies started going offshore or closing down because this new corporate government did deals with other countries under free trade agreements that allowed them to totally wipe out our business and manufacturing by selling us their cheap **bleep**.

These Foreign Countries took over our Mineral resources.

They drove our Farmers off their land and started selling it to these foreign countries and set up 457 visa’s as well which would let these countries bring in their own workers!

These things left our once beautiful Country in tatters!

Then these Politicians allowed Foreign Countries to buy our Power Stations and guaranteed them that they would always make a profit at our expense no matter what.

Now because we have lost so much the Government then realised they don't get much income anymore and have to find new ways to make money so it hits it’s own people further in the pocket.

They cut funding to our Education and over the years led us to import skilled workers because we didn't have any!

They cut funding to our Emergency Services, they cut funding to our police and Public housing.

These new Corporate Government Politicians laughed in our faces and gave themselves MASSIVE pay rises and they all pat themselves on the back knowing that we are so dumb and stupid we would not know what is going on!

Now they tell us we have to tighten our belts and lose what little we have left to pay back the MASSIVE DEBT they left us all in.
Now I drive the main roads and all I see is the empty buildings that once housed all these great manufacturing companies and I begin to cry seeing them all run down or for lease!!!

This over paid government need more taxes to live on so they are now going to force our elderly (God bless them, for they are the ones that built this Nation) back into the workforce until they are 70. and tell everyone to go out and get a JOB!!
So can someone in this new Corporate Government tell us EXACTLY WHERE THESE BLOODY JOBS ARE???????????????????????

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worth posting twice

[wilk1149]

Funny, the farmers out here if they have degrees they must be in being stupid racist drunken native species shooting experts

[chameleon54]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

But to become farmer you need land and machinery, and know what you are doing too.  You cannot just decide to be a farmer.  I am sure that many farmers who inherited land from their fathers, went to agriculture college and have degrees. 

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A rare few do have degrees, the vast majority that I know dont. Farming is still being run on the basis of families building farming wealth ( land and machinery ) over generations, with young kids involved with the day to day work from a young age. The knowlege is passed down from one generation to the next. With the rapid expansion into high tech and high finance, a natural process of attrition is taking place. Only the brightest and best are able to continue and expand in business with those less capable, selling up to the larger proffesionally managed businesses.

I still think that society in general is fourty or fifty years behind in its understanding of what it means to be a farmer and the yokal stigma is still alive and well.

[chameleon54]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
Funny, the farmers out here if they have degrees they must be in being stupid racist drunken native species shooting experts

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Not sure where you are from, but it isnt the same place as me.

Idiots like that just wouldnt last in business as it is only the highly proffesional people left where I come from. 

Like anything, there are a few who do the rest a dis-service. And some of the more " colourfull " pollies purporting to represent farmers dont help. I hate to say it, but it seems to be a regional thing. Maybe the monsoons and the tropical heat gets to them.