on 23-07-2015 12:07 PM
on 24-07-2015 08:38 AM
Last week at work I saw a fox. I said to my co worker, "Look, a fox" (as you do) She lives on site and her house is across from my office window. We both watched it for a few seconds then it disappeared from view behind her house. About a second later she yelled My chooks! to which I echoed, feaces (in a shorter form) your chooks! She took off running but by the time she got to the house the fox had a chook. She "kicked the fox in the guts", ran inside to wake up hubby (nightshift worker) who pelted outside and chased the fox, which had grabbed the chook again, across the paddock. He did rescue that chook but after doing a head count there was a hen missing. While they were looking for the missing hen the fox, brazen as you like, came strolling across to my office with the missing chook. I went outside and the fox was less than 20 feet away before it noticed me and dropped the chook. She was dead,and he had already eaten her head. I left the carcass there and the fox snuck back and got it shortly after.
It was unbelievable how fearless and brazen this fox was. This took place about 4 in the afternoon.
I seeat least two foxes on the way to work every day. One will sit and scratch fleas while I drive past, the other pounces about in the long grass on the side of the road chasing mice. They have no fear.
on 24-07-2015 08:48 AM
Yeah, we came to the conclusion it was a fox, after doing some google research. Aparently if there are fox-cubs, a mother fox will come into town for food if needed.
I was very upset at losing my darlings (still am).... empty nest of a different kind!
Thanx for your info, Kelso
on 24-07-2015 10:05 AM
"90% of these flying catastrophes have never seen the sea, with their webbed feet being superfluous to requirements"
That's got to be the best, funniest and marvellous descriptions I've ever read regarding seagulls .....
01-08-2015 07:30 AM - edited 01-08-2015 07:32 AM
I'm not directing this comment at anyone in particular, but it gets me the way Australians feel free to express an opinion on everything and anything happening in other countries (especially the United States) but if someone from another country dares to do the same and express an opinion (or an objection) about something the Australians are doing, then the attitude is immediately taken that they should mind their own business.
People who care about animals feel that animals in ALL parts of the world are their business.
I feel exactly the way Bardot does. I'm appalled and disgusted by this planned feral cat cull. We have a feral cat problem in the US too, but no way would a mass extermination be supported. There are programs all over the US to deal with these cats in a HUMANE way. Namely, trapping, neutering, vaccinating, then returning them to the area they were living in, or moving them to a different area if the original one isn't feasible for some reason. The ideal thing is to have these colonies monitored and reguarly fed until they die out. I, myself, have helped monitor a feral cat colony and have also taken care of individual feral cats for years.
Yes, feral cats have an impact on native wildlife but I think it's wildly overexaggerated by people who just use feral cats as a convenient scapegoat and because a lot of people hate cats in general--and especially feral cats. Domesticated dogs and cats, pollution, hunting, and haitat loss are what's mainly responsible for the loss of wildlife.
A mass killing isn't going to solve the problem. Only laws forcing people to neuter their pet cats will. Also, fines levied against people who abandon their cats so they end up turning wild. (We don't have any laws in most of the US either requiring pets to be neutered . ),. Mass extermination is a temporary solution to what's going to be a continuous problem until people start taking proper responsibility for their pets.
I constantly read on this board how some of you wouldn't want to live in the United States. Well, I'm glad I don't live in a country that seems so backwards when it comes to the welfare of ALL animals..And btw, I've come across some mean feral cats in my time (took care of one for eight years. She never knew how much I loved her.) But most are extremely timid and just want to be left alone. Stories about ferocious mountain lion-sized ferals capable of carrying off somebody's poodle are (9 times out of 10)--malarky. Not doubting what some here have said they've experienced, but the hear-say stories so often bandied about have to be taken with a big grain of salt, IMO.
on 01-08-2015 10:26 AM
Most of our fauna is found only here and nowhere else. The extinction rate of our wildlife is very high with over 1500 species listed as being at risk. How does this compare with the U.S?
on 01-08-2015 12:17 PM
@bluecat*dancing wrote:Most of our fauna is found only here and nowhere else. The extinction rate of our wildlife is very high with over 1500 species listed as being at risk. How does this compare with the U.S?
I'd have to do a lot of googling to find that out, bluecat, but I'm sure the numbers pale compared to what Australia is facing, In the U.S., feral cats are blamed mainly for the decimation of the native songbird population, But for every study that claims that, others point out the greater impact of habitat destruction, climate change, and the competition for food and nesting places from aggressive non-native birds like starlings and grackles.
I agree what's happening to the native wildlife in Australia is terrible and tragic. I've read that controlled fires used to manage land have also been responsible for the loss of your wildlife. I think there are a lot more factors involved than just feral cats. But like I said in my other post, they make easy scapegoats.
And then when there are no feral cats to blame it will be time to move on to foxes. Then other animals people don't like. Feral cats are a human-created problem. Until humans shape up the feral cat population will continue to exist and it doesn't matter how many are destroyed. China regularly deals with its stray dog and cat population by rounding them up and throwing them in the ocean. When Russia wanted to make things pretty for the Olympics they poisoned the stray dogs in the area until there was a world-wide protest about it.
Sorry, but from my point of view, killing two mllion cats in a mass cull is just as cruel and barbaric and I don't care how "humanely" it's promised to be done. There's no way to humanely kill that many animals. And there's nothing humane about killing animals in a bad situation through no fault of their own, anyway. Do mass neutering instead of killing, create the enclosures mentioned to protect the most endangered species, and deal with the true source of the problem--irresponsible pet owners.
Ack! That's all i care to say on the subject. Other than that I'm glad I'm living in the USA, Say what you want about it (and plenty of you do) but no way would a nationwide (or even a state-wide) mass kill of any kind of animal be tolerated.
on 01-08-2015 12:43 PM
the problem with neutering and releasing and waiting for the population to die out is not just a huge financial issue but in the meantime endangered species of native wildlife are still being decimated and it is simply just not feasible.
yes the problem with feral cats, foxes, rabbits, camels, cane toads, wild pigs etc is man made but it has to be dealt with and humane controlled mass culling is really the ony way.
And by the way it is not only tolerated in your country, there are even tv shows made about it - does alligator hunting ring a bell?
on 01-08-2015 02:25 PM
@*pepe wrote:the problem with neutering and releasing and waiting for the population to die out is not just a huge financial issue but in the meantime endangered species of native wildlife are still being decimated and it is simply just not feasible.
yes the problem with feral cats, foxes, rabbits, camels, cane toads, wild pigs etc is man made but it has to be dealt with and humane controlled mass culling is really the ony way.
And by the way it is not only tolerated in your country, there are even tv shows made about it - does alligator hunting ring a bell?
Do you really think TWO MILLION alligators are hunted and killed in the United States every year? Or two million deer? Or any other species of animal? Killing two million feral cats is a mass slaughter on an epic scale. And I'm sure it's only a start. Because you, yourself, said that just killing two million wouldn't be enough, since, supposedly, there's an estimated twenty million feral cats in Australia.
Without more humane measures being taken like neutering, the feral cat population will continue to grow necessitating more mass killing,. And that argument about the financial aspects of neutering being too costly is the same one that's tried over here by people who just want feral cats gone. And it doesn't hold water, because the costs involved with sending people out to kill cats, or bring them into shelters to be killed is a lot greater.
What it comes down to is that there are two ways to handle the problem. The inhumane way of exterminating feral cats like they were vermin or "culling" them by neutering and clamping down on the people who will continue to cause the problem no matter how many mass kills there are. What I meant when I said what Australia plans to do wouldn't be tolerated in the US, is that there are enough animal welfare groups here that constantly advocate for the more humane way of dealing with ferals..
And now I really am done with this subject because I'm repeating myself and that always gives me a headache.
on 01-08-2015 02:46 PM
oh ok i understand - killing a few thousand of a species is ok with you and you consider it humane.
No matter how many are killed each individual animal is still just as dead.
Your argument for neutering coulld also apply to controlling the populations of alligators, deer, wild hogs etc. that you are ok with being killed.
All introduced species need to be brought under control and or eradicated.
There is no pleasant way to do this and news flash - they actually are all vermin.
I am totally against hunting for 'sport' but support culling and eradicating pests for the sake of native wildife.
on 01-08-2015 03:11 PM