on 18-09-2013 10:46 AM
If Labor elect Bill Shorten as leader then they deserve everything they get.
Bill Shorten the machine man, the union heavy, the man who destroyed 2 sitting Prime Minister's reign & betrayed his own support base, the man who engineered the worst failures of govt. in history because of his machinations.
A charmless, dull, short tempered man, a man who will bring nothing to the leadership & will ensure Labor stay out of contention for more than 2 terms.
He is from the right faction & ordinarily I would prefer that (see the left socialist Gillard disaster) but a more popular man like Albanese is more palatable even though he is steeped in the left faction.
Albanese looks like a shoo in as his left faction support in the rank & file is enormous but he may not get the support of the caucus.
What is ahead for Labor if the caucus elect Short Fuse Shorten but he is defeated by the rank & file? will it mean more instability because the caucus will not have supported the winner Albanese ie. his caucus didn't want him!
on 19-09-2013 09:27 AM
Buckle your safety belt, the Abbott chaos is about to begin.
on 19-09-2013 11:29 AM
@silverfaun wrote:
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Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.
Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
on 19-09-2013 04:09 PM
@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:.....Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.
Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.
on 19-09-2013 04:12 PM
19-09-2013 04:18 PM - edited 19-09-2013 04:19 PM
So my criticism of bleep head gets under your skin. i could start on about barnett mucking up the WA economy if you like.. 'better fiscal managers' 'interest rates will always be lower under a liberal govt' 'we have have an an understanding with indonesia' on and on it goes
try this one.
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The downgrade of Western Australia’s credit rating illustrates how governments can’t merely talk about fiscal discipline, they need to show it. Glenn Dyer and Bernard Keane report.
There was a decided air of delusion in Canberra yesterday. While Tony Abbott was kicking off his Prime Ministership by refighting the climate wars and displaying how extraordinarily petty he can be, reality was mugging his economic agenda.
Standard & Poor’s downgrading of Western Australia’s AAA rating carries one big message for the new federal government — especially Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey — and that’s all about political will.
WA was put on a negative outlook in 2012. Yesterday S&P moved to trim the rating to AA-plus (stable) because of fears about the government’s commitment to bring down the state’s $28.4 billion debt, despite previously pledging itself to do just that. Premier Colin Barnett has recently reversed a number of revenue-raising measures contained in the 2013-14 budget.
As we noted a few weeks back, Barnett’s budget problems reflect those of other Australian governments, including the difficulties Labor faced — and which Abbott and Hockey now face. S&P said in a statement:
“The lowering of WA’s long-term issuer credit rating reflects our view that while the fiscal action plan announced in WA’s fiscal 2014 budget improves the State’s path, in our view there is likely to be slippage, reflecting our view of limited political will, as evidenced by the early revision of some budget revenue and expenditure measures. The ratings are constrained by our view of moderate budgetary flexibility and budgetary performance. WA’s debt burden is now at the high end of the domestic peer group, and in our view is likely to continue rising.”
Even the state’s stable outlook is at risk unless the government came up with a more convincing plan to cut debt, the agency said:
“The rating could be pressured if WA’s consolidated cash operating balance looked likely to fall into deficit without a convincing plan to return to surplus.”
Like Campbell Newman’s Queensland government, which was further downgraded last year after the state lost its triple-A rating under Labor, the Barnett government is giving the lie to Abbott’s claim that better fiscal management is somehow in the Liberals’ DNA. And that’s despite both states enjoying resources booms and both governments boosting mining royalties ahead of the introduction of the ALP government’s mining tax, thinking themselves very clever by undermining the federal mining tax for revenue and partisan reasons.
The problem is, while the Labor government in Canberra copped so much criticism for its fiscal management, it was doing the hard yards while Barnett was sitting on his backside.'' http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/19/economic-reality-mugs-the-liberal-economic-agenda/
on 19-09-2013 04:22 PM
LOL crikey.com
are they still in business?
on 19-09-2013 04:27 PM
on 19-09-2013 04:33 PM
no idea.
on 19-09-2013 04:53 PM
@newstart2380 wrote:
@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:.....Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.
Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.
A majority, I grant you, at this point in time,
What part of that did you miss?
on 20-09-2013 07:45 AM
@lurker17260 wrote:
@newstart2380 wrote:
@lurker17260 wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:.....Australians will never forget this Labor failure, they will not forgive Labor, they don't appeal to the working people of this country anymore, they are out of touch & out of date.
Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, but I do wish you would stop making broad sweeping generalisations and pretending you are speaking for ALL Australians. A majority, I grant you, at this point in time, but by no means all.
Ditto to LL who seems to think he speaks for all of us, have you forgotten the whitewash in the recent election which prooves the majority of us actually thought about the elecation this time and realised which party should run the country and would do a better job.
A majority, I grant you, at this point in time,
What part of that did you miss?
Look, I really don't care what your opinion is either & semantics is not an argument.
I didn't make a statement about ALL Australians either, my opinion is that the majority of australians repudiated Labor and all it stood for these last 6 years.
Got it? what part of that don't you understand?