Boycott petrol!

[i-need-a-martini]

Halal certification funding terrorism = a big fat lie.

Crude Oil funding terrorism = fact.

So IF you are really so concerned about the spread of Islam, the horror of terrorism, and the threat of muslims taking over Australia then I suggest you stop driving a car.

So far this fact has been ignored in the halal obsessed threads which is very odd given the feverish arguments about Islamic terrorism.

[the_hawk*]

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@am*3 wrote:

No, it doesn't. Small businesses, companies, corporations make their own commerical decisions.

If 98% of consumers would boycott a product with a halal label, how come Vegemite is still going strong over 10 years later, since the had it halal certified? Also, Bega Cheese - 18 years halal certified products for export.

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they are on a list and their turn will come, can only focus on one at a time. small steps

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[icyfroth]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:
Got to be consistent though , those that don't want to support funds going to terrorist with halal cert money, 

Who says? like you with your your Cadbury's bikkies being made in Poland, I similarly like don't like my Lipton's Fruits of the Forest herbal tea infusion being made in Russia. So I don't buy it.

It's not JUST about funds going towards terrorism. You are speaking only for your self though... there are many anti-halal label objector out there and that is their main reason for objecting to halal certification. And you know what every one of your many anti-halal objectors particularly object to do you?

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@am*3 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:
Got to be consistent though , those that don't want to support funds going to terrorist with halal cert money, 

Who says? like you with your your Cadbury's bikkies being made in Poland, I similarly like don't like my Lipton's Fruits of the Forest herbal tea infusion being made in Russia. So I don't buy it.

It's not JUST about funds going towards terrorism. You are speaking only for your self though... there are many anti-halal label objector out there and that is their main reason for objecting to halal certification.  

And you know what every one of your many anti-halal objectors particularly object to do you?

Aussies have no need for some black-robed priest  chanting ritual prayers over the poor beast while it collapses and dies slowly of blood-loss from it's cut throat. That's just barbaric and there's no place for it in a modern and progressive society.

You seem fixated on only one type of  food product/produce... What does a black robed priest (priest?? Muslim?) stand over vegemite jars and chant?

Now that should not be necessary, should it? Seeing vegemite contains no animal product. Yet it's halal certified. Why?

There are many types of food that have halal labels.

Aussies just want it stunned and and killed before it knows what hit it. No need for cruel archaic practices 

   Aussies also balk at supporting a religion that suppresses women and teaches intolerance against those that don't follow it.

Aussies don't really like their producers feeling pressured by religious groups into paying for certification that is not required by the majority of the population, either. Again speaking for yourself. The anti-halal label objectors are a minority. Which is ironic as they say why do they have to pander to a minority  ( 2% of the pop. who is Muslim) yet they expect the rest of Australia to pander to their request to end halal certification.

Because the rest of the population is not Muslim (by your own admission). And if the anti-halal objectors are such a minority, why do you feel the need to become so involved against them?

surely they don't want their petrol money used for the same purpose.

You do know this is just a tongue in cheek call by Martini.  To boycott petrol?   Of course

She doesn't really expect anyone to. Ask ***super_nova***. Post 26

 

[cherry*135]

Small insignificant steps, that won't any make a difference to halal certification of food products.

Export is the key to economic growth.. if importers of our produce/products want halal certification then that's what they will get. The companies selling the products will grow, employ more people and contribute to the continued economic growth of this country.

icy - it doesn't take much effort to read websites, social media pages, Kirralea's views the person who started the latest halal label hysteria campaign (website Halalchoices) 5 years ago.... their views are out there for all to see.

I am reducing petrol usage so Abbott doesn't get much fuel tax from me.. the bowser bandit.

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

Small insignificant steps, that won't any make a difference to halal certification of food products.

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

Export is the key to economic growth.. if importers of our produce/products want halal certification then that's what they will get. The companies selling the products will grow, employ more people and contribute to the continued economic growth of this country.

icy - it doesn't take much effort to read websites, social media pages, Kirralea's views the person who started the latest halal label hysteria campaign (website Halalchoices) 5 years ago.... their views are out there for all to see.

Thank you.

I am reducing petrol usage so Abbott doesn't get much fuel tax from me.. the bowser bandit.

Small, insignificant steps that won't make any difference, you say...

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[cherry*135]

icy wrote - Now that should not be necessary, should it? Seeing vegemite contains no animal product. Yet it's halal certified. Why?

You are still fixated on dead animals/parts. Alcohol is also prohibited.

"VEGEMITE is certified Halal by The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. VEGEMITE is made on a dedicated production line and does not contain or come into contact with any animal derived ingredients and the yeast in the product has been processed to ensure the product is alcohol free."

Because the rest of the population is not Muslim (by your own admission). And if the anti-halal objectors are such a minority, why do you feel the need to become so involved against them?

98% of the population is not Muslim, and the majority of that 98% do not object to halal certification.  The minority of halal label objectors are trying to force their views on the rest of the general population.

No-one here has any objection to consumers boycotting food products with halal labels( it is as you say similar to you & I not wanting to buy tea or biscuits from Europe or Russia).

What people, not just myself object to is the reasons why the anti-halal objectors give for halal certification being bad. I am meaning that in a general way.. of the many people out there that are involved in the halal label hysteria campaign, in Australia, in UK.. its all the same stuff. Basically they are anti-Muslim, not just objecting to a label on a jar.

Small insignificant steps, that won't any make a difference to halal certification of food products.

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

Who, the halal label certifiers? That is a myth. See how easy it is to repeat something you read/heard somewhere else, but you haven't given your reasons/evidence of this strangehold exists.

[cherry*135]

mr grizz - has meat industry experience, knows details about halal label certification.. take a good read of his posts.

[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

icy wrote - Now that should not be necessary, should it? Seeing vegemite contains no animal product. Yet it's halal certified. Why?

You are still fixated on dead animals/parts. Alcohol is also prohibited.

But there is also no alcohol in Vegemite

"VEGEMITE is certified Halal by The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. VEGEMITE is made on a dedicated production line and does not contain or come into contact with any animal derived ingredients and the yeast in the product has been processed to ensure the product is alcohol free."

So you're saying that the yeast in vegemite (which is a by-product of the brewing process), is escpecially processed to ensure every little trace of alcohol is removed?

There goes my brand-loyalty. I'll be looking at alternatives.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Because the rest of the population is not Muslim (by your own admission). And if the anti-halal objectors are such a minority, why do you feel the need to become so involved against them?

98% of the population is not Muslim, and the majority of that 98% do not object to halal certification.  The minority of halal label objectors are trying to force their views on the rest of the general population

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No more so than the less than 2% Muslim population is demanding it's religious requirements be met are forcing their religion on the 98% of the population of other denominations

No-one here has any objection to consumers boycotting food products with halal labels( it is as you say similar to you & I not wanting to buy tea or biscuits from Europe or Russia).

What people, not just myself object to is the reasons why the anti-halal objectors give for halal certification being bad. I am meaning that in a general way.. of the many people out there that are involved in the halal label hysteria campaign, in Australia, in UK.. its all the same stuff. Basically they are anti-Muslim, not just objecting to a label on a jar.

And why do you think the population of countries like the US, France, England, and now Australia, are becoming increasingly anti-Muslim?

Small insignificant steps, that won't any make a difference to halal certification of food products.

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

Who, the halal label certifiers? That is a myth. See how easy it is to repeat something you read/heard somewhere else, but you haven't given your reasons/evidence of this strangehold exists.

Similarly, you have been flying in the face of evidence posted here that it does, indeed, exist, which you choose to dismiss. Your prerogative, of course.

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[icyfroth]

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@am*3 wrote:

mr grizz - has meat industry experience, knows details about halal label certification.. take a good read of his posts.

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Indeed, I have read Grizz's post and have no issue with what he says.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Because they have a stranglehold on producers?

How can 2% of the population have a stranglehold on producers? Are they threatening to bomb their businesses or assassinate their CEOs if they don't obtain certification? If Vegemite started using alcohol derived yeast in their product and Australian Muslims stopped buying it, would the company go broke?

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Noooo! Can you not see the paradox here? Why do the major producers feel they have to pay for Halal when it serves just a small percentage of the populace?

If the 2% Muslim population chose not to buy what the remaining 98% does, why would producers and retailers care if they have the majority of the market anyway?

Do they know something we don't?