Brighton siege

[davidc4430]

Melbourne police launch terror probe after deadly stand-off with Holsworthy plot gunman

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-06/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-brighton-siege/8591540

i heard our wonderful PM asking how was it this guy was out on the streets?

well mr PM, you said it yourself, he had a trial and was aquitted.

he had been in prison, served his time and had been released on parole.

isnt this exactly how our westminster system works?

if we start throwing people in jail for ever for something we think they might do in the future, well we will need a lot of new prisons, very BIG prisons.

i in no way condone this mans actions, but just what kind of place will australia be if we start locking up people with no evidence or trial?

Maybe to try to avoid terror attacks, the PM should make a speech apologizing for australias involvment in a war not sanctioned by the united nation that caused the deaths of thousands if not millions of innocent people. and pull our troops out of countries they have no business being in!

then start sending aid including money to the govts of those countries to try to repair the damage australia caused....no amount of aid and money can bring back the children, the mothers or fathers, brothers and sisters killed of course.

we should learn from our mistakes not just blindly continue along the same road.

we reap what we sow.

[davidc4430]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Just a simple question David,

Do you enjoy or see anything good - in the world you live in.

Just a question.

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a simple answer from a simple man

'yes'

and when i read a 'anything good' story i usually post it.

maybe you just choose to only read the 'not so good' stories?

[davidc4430]

Bonus Post!

WA researchers to investigate how to make worrying work in productive ways

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-06/researchers-to-examine-how-to-make-worrying-work-for-you/85936...

[tezza2844]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

on the news they are calling this guy a terrorist, but although i'm sure those directly involved were terrorised i dont see how you call a single guy killing one person and taking 1 hostage then shooting at police to get himself killed a terror attack in the true meaning of terror attacks.

if he had driven a car into a crowd of people then started shooting people that would be a terror attack.

this seems more like he just went off on the spur of the moment, maybe he was on drugs?

he didnt kill the hostage which id expect a true terrorist to do. they said he came out of the building shooting at police so they killed him.

monis took over a business, held a large group hostage, ranted for hours then shot a hostage. quite different in my view.

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I think that the present government would call a fight in a Kebab shop a terrorist incident 

[lyndal1838]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Just a simple question David,

Do you enjoy or see anything good - in the world you live in.

Just a question.

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Not very often domino.....but it does happen.

The last feel good story David posted was on 1/6 and is now on the second page.

[davidc4430]

its hardly my fault if the world is all bad news

but just for those who require something uplifting so they dont need to face the ugly side of mankind i'll post something ....nice.

BTW, reading my posts is optional, no one is being forced into it.....or are they?

[lyndal1838]

No, it is not your fault David, but sometimes it is nice to have a break from the ugly face of the modern world.

And no, no-one is forced to read your threads but it is interesting to get other people's take on some subjects.....your opinions make interesting reading at times.

[springyzone]

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@imastawka wrote:

Wonder how much jail time he did?

I found that it's 12 months jail, and you get deported

 - The Law Handbook -

The deportation order or cancellation decision is usually signed during a term of imprisonment or immediately upon the expiration of a term of imprisonment. In practice only those who have committed offences punishable by more than 12 months imprisonment are deported or removed.

 http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/12_01_12_removal_and_deportation/

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HeHHe was sentenced to about 3 years I think, stawka.

What the law says and what the law does are 2 different things.

There are plenty of foreign criminals here who have done over 12 months. Some have rap sheets pages long, yet the appeals tribunal overturns government attempts to deport them.

I think that may have to change.

[springyzone]

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davidc4430 wrote:

on the news they are calling this guy a terrorist, but although i'm sure those directly involved were terrorised i dont see how you call a single guy killing one person and taking 1 hostage then shooting at police to get himself killed a terror attack in the true meaning of terror attacks.

if he had driven a car into a crowd of people then started shooting people that would be a terror attack.

this seems more like he just went off on the spur of the moment, maybe he was on drugs?

he didnt kill the hostage which id expect a true terrorist to do. they said he came out of the building shooting at police so they killed him.

monis took over a business, held a large group hostage, ranted for hours then shot a hostage. quite different in my view.

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This is a man who years back, helped plan a terror attack on an army base back in 2010.

This is a man with a history of violence, witness his jail time for a violent home invasion.

He rang the media to broadcast his allegiance to IS.

He killed one man, had another hostage. His intention was to lure police in and kill as many as possible.

The fact he only managed to kill one person doesn't mean he wasn't a terrorist with a terrorist's intentions. He did manage to shoot 3 police.

They were his primary aim.

IS will appeal to young muslims who have violent dispositions or a chip on their shoulder.

ISIS has just recently asked their supporters to draw infidels into buildings and kill them. This man followed their advice.

He said that he was doing it for ISIS clearly enough before he was shot.

Had he lived, it is perfectly possible he would have killed his hostage & other police.

[davidc4430]

i think, and this is only my opinion, there are some who read these boards who love my posts.

because they are like people driving past an accident who cant resist slowing down to 'see whats happened' completely forgetting to watch where they are going on the road and wind up running into the car in front.

they see me post something and cant resist having a look to see what crazy thing ive posted or said in my post so they can do a 'well look you have it all wrong, i'm an expert. let me point out all your faults'

i think having a 'view' on a subject is a right. but just attacking a poster for their view and telling them they are wrong and saying 'well i'm right your wrong you must think like i think as i know better than you'

having differing views on everything as long as its peacfull is what makes a better society.

the terrorists have taken the 'i'm right your wrong' argument to the extreme. killing those who disagree.

i hope our country allways respects those who peacfully have have a different view.

if it wasnt for people with different views i suspect we would still be living in caves.

[domino-710]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i hope our country allways respects those who peacfully have have a different view.

if it wasnt for people with different views i suspect we would still be living in caves.

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I have a view of the mountains.