on 15-05-2020 01:35 PM
Bryce Cartwright has been granted a medical exemption from receiving the flu vaccination following a controversial stand-off over the Titans forward's 'anti-vaxxer' stance.
It comes after it was confirmed teammate Brian Kelly accepted the vaccine, after previously refusing, enabling him to return to Gold Coast training on Thursday.
hmmm..
on 16-05-2020 10:59 AM
@icyfroth wrote:Frankly, I don't understand this hysteria about the players being forced to have the flu vax. They're only playing each other, and not in front of a crowd of supporters, They've all been health checked and keeping to themselves in isolation, so what's the deal?
Besides, Fluvax is not compulsory for anyone other than healthcare or aged care workers, so why the big hammer "no jab, no play? They were never required to have it in previous years.
If they're worried about COVID...there's no vaccine against it anyway!
So...
I wonder about that too. I was pretty disgusted with Morrison saying , "It should be no jab no play". Like "what the ?" I thought we're in a democracy and here's the PM talking like a facist dictator!
I''ve seen plenty of people taking time off work with the flu and yet they've had the vaccine. I've also seen people who have had the vaccine being crook after it and having milld to modderate symptoms for months afterwards.
on 16-05-2020 11:21 AM
everyone has a basic right to not be vaxinated
however, if you belong to an organisation that requires you to have a vaxination, as in healthcare workers, then you get a choice.
be vaxinated or find another job.
private businesses have rules/regulations staff must abide by in order for a person to work for them.
the govt stipulates when you join the public service you sign the secrets act.
we saw that incident with the man playing rugby spouting homophobic carp
the rugby people had a position on that kind of thing
have an opinion by all means but keep it to yourself, or else go play elsewhere.
sadly that wound up being lawyers at 20 paces, and rugby kinda folded, not wanting to risk losing.
so, my stance is, if the agreement between players and assosiation is we will get vaxinated so the competition can continue
get vaxinated or dont play.
a player cant go through the rules and pick n choose the rules he will abide by
what, no biting? cant agree to that!
no sticking my finger in an oponents butt? cant agree to that!
no head high tackles? cant agree to that!
ect ect
rules are there for all
they are not a pick n choose option
on 16-05-2020 05:18 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:
the govt stipulates when you join the public service you sign the secrets act.
I did not know this!
16-05-2020 05:34 PM - edited 16-05-2020 05:37 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:everyone has a basic right to not be vaxinated
however, if you belong to an organisation that requires you to have a vaxination, as in healthcare workers, then you get a choice.
be vaxinated or find another job.
private businesses have rules/regulations staff must abide by in order for a person to work for them.
Yes everybody does have the right not to be vaccinated. I wasn't aware that NRL had a requirement for its players to be vaccinatedf. If so then I'm shocked. But I disagree that people should look for another job just because a private business wants this (or rather is told to want this). This is discrimination!
@davidc4430 wrote:
the govt stipulates when you join the public service you sign the secrets act.
we saw that incident with the man playing rugby spouting homophobic carp
the rugby people had a position on that kind of thing
have an opinion by all means but keep it to yourself, or else go play elsewhere.
sadly that wound up being lawyers at 20 paces, and rugby kinda folded, not wanting to risk losing.
so, my stance is, if the agreement between players and assosiation is we will get vaxinated so the competition can continue
get vaxinated or dont play.
Signing a secrets act isn't reallly comparable to being vaccinated. Actuallly two very different scenarios.
OK, the man you refer to who was spouting homophobic carp. Well obviously you're referring to Mr. Folau. Well he wasn't actually. In his misguided release of what is contained in the Bible, the reference to homosexuality was one in list of other references to other practices condemned by the Bible which included fornicators, drunkards etc., etc. Yes Mr. Folau should have thought first about what he decided to post as it has hurt the feelings of a group of people. Strangely enough, the media has seen fit to concentrate on one aspect of it. IMO, nothing homophobic or even indicative of promoting the temperace movement. I bet with all the negativity attatched to alcohol consumption, the liquor industry has been slow to have a go at him.
I respect your opinion Dave but if there is such a rule t that players get vaccinated then it is wrong. Once uponn a time in a Western country in the Southern states, a "Negro" wasn't allowed to drink from a water fountain or use the rest room facility that a white man used. They had to give up their seat on a bus for a white person.. Those rules were wrong and they were changed.
@davidc4430 wrote:
a player cant go through the rules and pick n choose the rules he will abide by
what, no biting? cant agree to that!
no sticking my finger in an oponents butt? cant agree to that!
no head high tackles? cant agree to that!
ect ect
rules are there for all
they are not a pick n choose option
It's not about pciking and choosing Dave. Sorry, again I have to disagree mmate. It's about a person's fundemental right not to have a foreign substance injected into his / her body. That right must be respected for what ever reason that indiviidual gives.
I hear what you're saying about the other things like the "butt" touching which actually is similar to the person's right to refuse the vaccination. The touuching is about respecting personal space. And biting and high tackles can cause immediate and potential serious injury.
This is not a pick and choose option. It's one of sovereignty! Also flu vaccines can cause damage fto some people. Some people have been permanently disabled as a result. It's not a "one size fits all" solution either.
Today there are many many more cases of alzheimers and other illnesses in relation to the population size than there ever were.
on 16-05-2020 05:52 PM
"It's not about pciking and choosing Dave. Sorry, again I have to disagree mmate. It's about a person's fundemental right not to have a foreign substance injected into his / her body. That right must be respected for what ever reason that indiviidual gives".
Certainly, it must be respected, but it does not have to be complied with if the employee refuses to comply with the employer's policies, procedures and conditions of employment. Also, the Government had a say in this matter. If the employee does not like the employer's policy and Government directive, then the employee can exercise his/her right to move on. But in this case the employee claimed to have had a 'bad' past experience after receiving the vaccine. That makes it a medical reason and not " about a person's fundamental right not to have a foreign substance injected into his / her body". My suspicion is about the claim, rather than the proof.
on 16-05-2020 08:43 PM
Funny I have been told I am not allowed any one round me that has not had the flu injection and I dont have one 🙂
16-05-2020 11:42 PM - edited 16-05-2020 11:46 PM
@not_for_sale2025 wrote:
Certainly, it must be respected, but it does not have to be complied with if the employee refuses to comply with the employer's policies, procedures and conditions of employment. Also, the Government had a say in this matter. If the employee does not like the employer's policy and Government directive, then the employee can exercise his/her right to move on. But in this case the employee claimed to have had a 'bad' past experience after receiving the vaccine. That makes it a medical reason and not " about a person's fundamental right not to have a foreign substance injected into his / her body". My suspicion is about the claim, rather than the proof.
Governments don't always to the right thing and they sometimes do the wrong thing. Any historian can tell you this and provide an account right up to the present day. The issue here is wider than Bryce Cartright. It's about other people who he has in a way become a voice for. Actuallly it is more the people who have supported his stance who have become the voice for other people who choose not to be vacinated. We only hear one side of the story in the main stream media and sadly that type of story doesn't look at other factors.
OK, Cartright had a bad reaction but I too suspect that there is more to this than the reason he has provided. There are a whole plethora of reasons that are from tthose who choose to be selective abouut vaccinations.
IMO having one's livelyhood threatened or diminished because of choosing not to be vaccinated is a form of blackmail. It can be regarded as a form of forced medication. Doctors aren't allowed to forceably medicate the public. And yet they try this on!
So this so-called policy (or whatever it is) by the NRL is so wrong.
on 17-05-2020 12:35 AM
@4channel wrote:Governments don't always to the right thing and they sometimes do the wrong thing. Any historian can tell you this and provide an account right up to the present day. The issue here is wider than Bryce Cartright. It's about other people who he has in a way become a voice for. Actuallly it is more the people who have supported his stance who have become the voice for other people who choose not to be vacinated. We only hear one side of the story in the main stream media and sadly that type of story doesn't look at other factors.
OK, Cartright had a bad reaction but I too suspect that there is more to this than the reason he has provided. There are a whole plethora of reasons that are from tthose who choose to be selective abouut vaccinations.
IMO having one's livelyhood threatened or diminished because of choosing not to be vaccinated is a form of blackmail. It can be regarded as a form of forced medication. Doctors aren't allowed to forceably medicate the public. And yet they try this on!
So this so-called policy (or whatever it is) by the NRL is so wrong.
People often hijack an issue and distort the facts to try and make the point that they want to make. But the fact here, according to Cartwright, is he did not want the vaccine because he has had a bad reaction to it in the past. He is not citing moral, ethical or religious reasons, unless he has been quoted in an article that I have not read. There may be more to this, but he has not revealed anything. What more there may be is in people's imaginations.
on 17-05-2020 01:11 AM
I am not a anti Vaccer, had all my children Vaccinated, I was hard to find out what vaccinations my step children had, managed to get through all the tracing
on 17-05-2020 09:33 AM
@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
What about Ben, Hoss, Little Joe and Adam?
They're still ponderosing about it.