Cashless Welfare Card

[moonflyte]

Could this be the end of the tragedy of alcohol fueled violence and child neglect.

A cashless welfare card aimed at stemming alcohol abuse would be rolled out across the country under a welfare reform the Turnbull government is considering taking to the election.

As regional trouble spots line up to be chosen for trials of the government’s new Healthy Welfare Card to begin next month, The Australian understands the Coalition may seek an election mandate to extend the card to welfare recipients across regional Australia if they achieve positive results.

Under the new system — proposed by mining magnate ­Andrew Forrest in his review of the welfare system in 2014 — 80 per cent of a person’s government payment would be ­quarantined to a bank card that could not be used to buy alcohol and gambling products, nor ­converted to cash.

The remaining 20 per cent could be accessible as cash.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-cashless-welfare-card-plan-by-turnbull-gov...

[bluecat*dancing]

I was talking with two women in a waiting room who both had a broken leg and they said that because their legs would be healed withi 12 months, they weren't eligible for a disabled sticker.

[azureline**]

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@go-tazz wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@jimmy*part3 wrote:

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I'd say "disadvantaged" people here have it a bit too cushie. I see them driving around in new cars (with their disabled placard hanging from the rear view mirror), parked in their driveways, at their well mancured homes....never having to work. Parking in the disabled parking spots in front of every store, watching them get out and stroll effortlessly into the store.

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I do not know how difficult to get a disabled parking in the USA, but it is not easy here.  Of-course, here it is also abused, mainly by able bodied relatives taking grandma's car to the shops, but that is another story.

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Unfortunatly it's starting to get abused a bit more than that and easier to get then you think.

I've asked a few here why they have a disabled sticker as they have no trouble geting out of a car and will

beat me getting to the shop/club,etc.

Their answer is that their doctors said they could have one,so they got one,(so the Doctor lied on their

application form).

That also now explains the number of visitors that come to town and park in the handicapped zone when

they clearly have no problems getting out of their cars.

The permit is designed and issued for people that have difficulty getting out of cars and that have difficulty

walking but a high number are now used by people getting out of high 4wd vehicles and cars that don't have

those problems.

It's dissapointing when you see a disabled person that clearly has difficulty getting in and out of their car

having to park two rows back and struggle to get to the front doors of our RSL club,(you then see people with

no difficulty hop into their car and drive out of a disabled spot with the permit hanging from the mirror,

The worst I came accross was a couple that looked to be in their 40's park in a disabled spot at the chemist

with the permit on their dash and they got out quickly as if they were in a hurry.

They didn't go into the chemist but quickly moved to the centre of the street to avoid the traffic and then to

the other side of the street and went to a cafe,(so how did they get their permit?,a dodtor that lied?).

So not only did they not need the permit,they also parked in a spot which is used on a regular basis.

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Well, no, it actually isn't.

Many disabilities are hidden, heart disease etc

[jimmy*part4]

If they have heart disease they should get a spot at the far end of the lot...they need the exercise.

[jimmy*part4]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@jimmy*part3 wrote:

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I'd say "disadvantaged" people here have it a bit too cushie. I see them driving around in new cars (with their disabled placard hanging from the rear view mirror), parked in their driveways, at their well mancured homes....never having to work. Parking in the disabled parking spots in front of every store, watching them get out and stroll effortlessly into the store.

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What an envy and hate.  You are obviously bit confused about the difference between disadvantaged and disabled.  People may be disabled but still making lots of money, or even if they cannot work they could have inherited, or if they become disabled in an accident they would have insurance payout.  Why should people are disabled not have nice houses and cars?   

I do not know how difficult to get a disabled parking in the USA, but it is not easy here.  Of-course, here it is also abused, mainly by able bodied relatives taking grandma's car to the shops, but that is another story.

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Envy and hate? From you! Pfft! You said, "Trying to compete with USA who can treat disadvantaged  people worse is disgusting."

And I'm telling you you don't know what you're talking about, and gave you some examples.

[freddie*rooster]

Are you a Vet Jimmy?

People with cardiomyopathy or complicated heart disease wouldn't be encouraged to exercise.

[azureline**]

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@jimmy*part3 wrote:

If they have heart disease they should get a spot at the far end of the lot...they need the exercise.

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You may be able to get an Australian permit if your ability to walk is severely restricted by a medical condition or disability.

 My FIL has one that I use on the occasions I need to take him out, he has Dementia but is also limited with mobility now, he can walk but sometimes he just stops.

I find it easier to get him out of the 4WD than the sedan, too.

[freddie*rooster]

My Mother had one and due to the lack of disable parking plus shops which are too small for a wheel chair many times I had to pack a wheel chair plus a rollator walker into my car to get her from A to B. What an ordeal that was thank goodness that is in the past.

 Every Pollie needs to be issued with a cashless card my suggestion would be to start the trial with them.

[go-tazz]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@go-tazz wrote:

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The permit is designed and issued for people that have difficulty getting out of cars and that have difficulty

walking

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Well, no, it actually isn't.

Many disabilities are hidden, heart disease etc

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In Victoria it clearly states:

Category One

To be eligible for a category one permit:

• a Medical Practitioner must confirm that an individual has a significant ambulatory disability and they cannot access a vehicle in an ordinary parking bay, or they are required to use a complex walking aid* that prevents access to a vehicle in an ordinary parking bay, or
• a Medical Practitioner must confirm that an individual has either an acute or chronic illness in which minimal walking may endanger their health, or
• a Specialist Medical Practitioner or Clinical Psychologist must confirm that an individual is an extreme danger to themselves and others in a public place without assistance by a carer.

*A complex walking aid is defined as an aid which has more than one contact point with the ground.

Category Two

To be eligible for a category two permit:

• A Medical Practitioner must confirm that an individual has a significant ambulatory disability or severe illness which does not affect their ability to walk, however they require rest breaks when continuous walking is undertaken.

And they know it gets abused:

VicRoads is working towards implementing the Australian Disability Parking Scheme in Victoria, and addressing a number of long-standing issues with the operation of the current scheme. This will provide additional benefits to legitimate permit holders and reduce the likelihood of abuse of the scheme.

[jimmy*part4]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@jimmy*part3 wrote:

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Envy and hate? From you! Pfft! You said, "Trying to compete with USA who can treat disadvantaged  people worse is disgusting."

And I'm telling you you don't know what you're talking about, and gave you some examples.

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Your posts are full of hate  for people who are on welfare and envy of those who have more than you, despite their illness of disability.

The fact is that USA has lot more people living in poverty than other western countries, and the gap between low income people and high income is growing.   Your middle class is slowly sinking into poverty, and the poor working do not earn enough to afford rent as well as food.  I do not hate America, i pity you.  🙂

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Your posts are full of hate  for people who are on welfare and envy of those who have more than you, despite their illness of disability.

Wrong again. My posts were about people without any disabilities milking the system.

The fact is that USA has lot more people living in poverty than other western countries, and the gap between low income people and high income is growing.   Your middle class is slowly sinking into poverty, and the poor working do not earn enough to afford rent as well as food. 

What does that have to with people abusing the welfare system? That's an entirely different discussion that has nothing to do with this thread. Just another backhanded bash.

I do not hate America,

Yes you do. You work anything negative about the US into every discussion, even though your point has nothing to do with the discussion...just like you did here...."Trying to compete with USA who can treat disadvantaged  people worse is disgusting." What in the H does that have to do with cashless welfare cards in your country?

Nothing, and is more proof of YOUR hate and jealousy of the US.

i pity you.  🙂

That's not true either, like most of what you post. :)~

[gewens]

Hello, everyone. Try not to get interpersonal when you argue with each other. Remember interpersonal dispute is NOT allowed! Thanks. 🙂