Charles Darwin believed in a Creator?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

I have just finished reading Origin of The Species. As far as I can see there is nothing that Darwin says that denies a Creator - in fact his last sentence enforces Creation. I agree with his ideas on natural selection etc and that original creation did not involve the thousands of species that we now have.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. 

** NB depending on the definition of 'few'. 

[the_great_she_elephant]

With regard to whether Darwin believed in a Creator, this link may prove enlightening:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/did_darwin_believe_in_god.html

[rabbitearbandicoot]

In the bible God is not only referred to as He but also as Father and Lord. Not only that, I was taught in school that the one and only Godactually  consists of three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit and all three of them are portrayed as male entities with human emotions  (including anger, jealousy and vengefulness.

Oh! No! Not the Trinity again. The three part god is a Pagan belief that predates Christianity by Thousands of Years - again the Romans are responsible for applying it to Christianity. 

As far as this male entity thing that you seem to be fixated on, don't take it so personally - it's not a slight on women.

[shepherdsrule]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

We've discussed evolution many times but never ever talked about whether Darwin himself believed in a creator which is what OP was asking. 

We have becuase it's an absolutely fascinating topic dont you agree?

When you say the bible were not literal days what exactly do you mean? Do you mean it's just a made up story?

It's a story given to man by God.

Toy with the idea that he exists outside of time and space as we know it, not as some bearded guy sitting up in a cloud looking down and smiting hellfire and brimstone upon innocent people but as an entity that can oversee his creation and all that dwell within.  So

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Written by man......

.......just like so many fictional stories of today,

So why has this particular book got such a hold over so many??....

The amount of times it has been re-written, interpreted, re-interpreted, surely 'chinese whispers' comes to mind.....the copy of a copy of a copy of a copy ....loses integrity, and all you are left with are so many different interpretations of the Good Book that wars are fought over it....

Me, give me a good old fictional novel any day of the week, with imagination they can be just as believable (more actually, considering the 2x2 of every animal in existance on an ark kinda thing we are meant to swallow) and a hell of lot less volatile.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

With regard to whether Darwin believed in a Creator, this link may prove enlightening:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/did_darwin_believe_in_god.html

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Yes, read that. As I recall, she-ele you were one of the ones who asked me to read origin. I have read it and, as I said, it has changed nothing for me as regards my beliefs. Now, if you ask me to read Descent of Man - I will do so. I am not afraid to read the other point of view.

As far as Darwin (or anyone else for that matter) abandoning a religion that threatens Eternal Torment, I would too if that were a genuine teaching. Fortunately, I have taken the time to debunk all the 'traditions of man' that have infested the truth, and been forced on us by the Romans. As I have said MANY times on here, if you peel away the inventions of man, you can find the truth. Unfortunately for millions of otherwise good people, they have allowed themselves to be led astray by the so called Church. This was fortold by the way - the Great Apostacy that Paul and some others warned of. It is only in the later times (as fortold again) that these LIES are starting to be exposed for what they are and the truth is starting to emerge. 

[k0llectable5]

God isn't just about the Bible.  It's a feeling inside...

Spoiler

Bit like a wind pain lol

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

When you say the bible were not literal days what exactly do you mean? Do you mean it's just a made up story?

It's a story given to man by God.

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What I mean is that the Creative Days were not literal 24-hour days. Yes, I know 'then came the evening ..' etc. This is a subject all on it's own and some would say of course God could create everything in 6 days, and call me a blasphemer for limiting His power. To that I say, Yes of course, I do not presume to place limits on God's power, but, as is described all through the Bible, God doesn't work that way -  otherwise he would have made the whole earth into a garden, created 6 or 7 billion perfect humans and left it at that.

But, if you have a look at what happened on the Sixth day, and what was atributed to Adam, a mere mortal, during the last part of that day it is obvious that we are talking about more than a 24-hour period.

[ufo_investigations]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

When God created the heavens and the earth. Remember he created the HEAVENS. This means not just humans here but humans and other beings on other planets. We are not ALONE!!!! 🙂

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who created god?

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God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

God simply existed always, eternal.

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Why do you say "since He exists etc". Do you believe that God is some kind of superhuman entity with a specific gender?

And why do you assume that our universe which came into existence  ~13.8 billion years ago is the only one that has ever existed?

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No it aint the only one ever because of the multiple dimensions of time, it is forever eternal. God is mighty powerful. The 13.8 billion years is not what I believe the scientists think that. I think this earth is far older than that.

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You can't just keep asserting stuft with no thread of evidence. Scientist don't just make up stuft. They base it on the best evidence available. 

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No evidence? What you talking about Bob? Didn't ya see the video I posted above ALL the PROOF is in THAT video. Absolutely 100% evidence without a doubt!

Not only has it been proven by science that god exists also UFO adbuctees have reported meeting god. This is all proven Bob I don't know why you say it aint been proven. Evidence is all there! I know cos it happened to me.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

In the bible God is not only referred to as He but also as Father and Lord. Not only that, I was taught in school that the one and only Godactually  consists of three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit and all three of them are portrayed as male entities with human emotions  (including anger, jealousy and vengefulness.

Oh! No! Not the Trinity again. The three part god is a Pagan belief that predates Christianity by Thousands of Years - again the Romans are responsible for applying it to Christianity. 

So according to your belief was Jesus not the son of God i.e God the son? If so then how many gods are there and  If not then who was he exactly.

As far as this male entity thing that you seem to be fixated on, don't take it so personally - it's not a slight on women.

My "fixation," as you like to call it, on the gender ascribed to God has nothing to do with a male versus female argument, The point is the moment you start refering to a primal creative force as He, She, Father, Mother, Lord etc. you are ascribing to it human characteristics and emotions - which is patently absurd.

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[the_great_she_elephant]

UFO adbuctees have reported meeting god.

According to these abductees, what did God look like.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"So according to your belief was Jesus not the son of God i.e God the son? If so then how many gods are there and  If not then who was he exactly.".

According to my belief Jesus was indeed The Son of God. and as the Bible says: (paraphrased because I cannot remember the exact scripture,) The first born of all creation, and through him all other things were made. 

So, let me lay that out for you all -

1. God created a Son - we'll call him Jesus but that no doubt was only his earthly name.

2. They created all the other angels

3. They created the Heavens and the Earth

4. On the Sixth day ' Let US create man in our own image".

son of God is NOT God the Son.

Let's examine that in terms of common understanding.

Bill Smith had a son who he named Tom ie Bill was the father and Tom was the Son. They were both Smith. But they were separate and distinct individuals.

One day Bob Thomas came to town looking for Tom. He asked a man in town, where does Tom Smith live.

The response: "Oh The Smiths. They live at number 6.  Yes, Bill is the father and Tom is his son."

But, Imagine poor Bill's horror if he had been told: "Oh The Smiths. They live at number 6, but Tom is now part of Bob and so too is Bill's wife Sarah - they all merged into one.

Ridiculous right?  And so is the Trinity doctrine - an invention of Rome to make it fit  the Pagan who were used to three gods / godesses in one.