on 30-11-2013 07:25 PM
Chemtrails
Weather Engineering
GeoEngineering.............it's real....it's happening..........just look out your window..............open your eyes and look up.
Seriously, if you notice unusual 'cloud formations' or unexplained/unusual skies.............'chemtrail activity' in your area then this thread is here to report what you see, describe what unusual weather patterns you are experiencing...
Debate and discuss.
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on 03-12-2013 09:31 AM
@Paintsew007 wrote:In reply to Sigs who asked:"
So paintsew, do you also believe that these "chemtrails" are causing global warming?
Are you also saying you believe that Earth no longer has natural clouds, that they are all man made?
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Not sure if the actual 'cloud-like' formations that are formed by chemtrailing is initially causing global warming-in fact, one would tend to believe that maybe one of the reasons for making more cloud cover (between the source of heat-sun and the planet Earth) would lessen the heat or warming effect....but I have noticed here, that often after rain/precipitation falls from chemtrailed/cloud-like formations that it gets increasingly humid/very,very warm for quite a few hours then a huge drop in temperature follows......it's not unusual to get summer, winter-in fact it's like we get all seasons and temperatures happening in less than a 24 hour period!! I have read source material that states that even though chemtrailing might be initialised for purposes of lessening global warming that the after effects of chemtrailing actually increases and causes global warming- as to the correct answer?....I don't know and therefore cannot say that I 'believe' either argument to be the truth.
As to whether I believe that there are no longer natural clouds but all man made clouds on Earth?....again, I can only report what I see in my own area or what I see if I travel out of my area.....or what others report and post. Yes, I am angered by this weather manipulation interference from what I see before my eyes when I compare it with my younger days and childhood memories of watching all 'natural clouds in the sky' events. Many younger folk in their 20's and younger would not remember as they have not seen skies filled with 100% natural clouds.
Maybe because of pollution and industrialization etc we on Earth have completely depleted the ozone layer....the stratosphere/ionospheres are perhaps so messed up by 'us' that there is not enough protection from the penetrating rays of the hot sun.......so chemtrailing is done to make a false 'shield/layer of cloud-like formations' to protect Earth and all life on it? I don't really know what the reasons are for all this. I would like to believe that we still have some natural cloud formations either still occuring somewhere on our planet.....but there are not many pics showing them anymore.....and if this be true then I live in hope and would like to believe that if we put our planet and all living things on it first, instead of money, that our Planet without further interference could once again take charge in the Weather Department and yes, natural clouds would once again be sighted in all our beautiful skies
Flawed and completely ridiculous thinking......remove the tin foil hat...., time to put on your thinking cap!
on 03-12-2013 10:02 AM
So paintsew, do you also believe that these "chemtrails" are causing global warming?
Are you also saying you believe that Earth no longer has natural clouds, that they are all man made?
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Not sure if the actual 'cloud-like' formations that are formed by chemtrailing is initially causing global warming-in fact, one would tend to believe that maybe one of the reasons for making more cloud cover (between the source of heat-sun and the planet Earth) would lessen the heat or warming effect....but I have noticed here, that often after rain/precipitation falls from chemtrailed/cloud-like formations that it gets increasingly humid/very,very warm for quite a few hours then a huge drop in temperature follows......it's not unusual to get summer, winter-in fact it's like we get all seasons and temperatures happening in less than a 24 hour period!! I have read source material that states that even though chemtrailing might be initialised for purposes of lessening global warming that the after effects of chemtrailing actually increases and causes global warming- as to the correct answer?....I don't know and therefore cannot say that I 'believe' either argument to be the truth.
As to whether I believe that there are no longer natural clouds but all man made clouds on Earth?....again, I can only report what I see in my own area or what I see if I travel out of my area.....or what others report and post. Yes, I am angered by this weather manipulation interference from what I see before my eyes when I compare it with my younger days and childhood memories of watching all 'natural clouds in the sky' events. Many younger folk in their 20's and younger would not remember as they have not seen skies filled with 100% natural clouds.
Maybe because of pollution and industrialization etc we on Earth have completely depleted the ozone layer....the stratosphere/ionospheres are perhaps so messed up by 'us' that there is not enough protection from the penetrating rays of the hot sun.......so chemtrailing is done to make a false 'shield/layer of cloud-like formations' to protect Earth and all life on it? I don't really know what the reasons are for all this. I would like to believe that we still have some natural cloud formations either still occuring somewhere on our planet.....but there are not many pics showing them anymore.....and if this be true then I live in hope and would like to believe that if we put our planet and all living things on it first, instead of money, that our Planet without further interference could once again take charge in the Weather Department and yes, natural clouds would once again be sighted in all our beautiful skies
Siggs 'blurts' out :"Flawed and completely ridiculous thinking......remove the tin foil hat...., time to put on your thinking cap!"
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pls qualify your statement with reasons, otherwise I will assume your opinion is without well, just an opinion I guess !
https://www.facebook.com/AustraliansAgainstChemtrails
.....N.B. users on this site have been unable to log in for over 15 hours now
on 03-12-2013 10:09 AM
for you again Siggs.....just in case you missed it
Reported on 2nd December 2013: http://aircrap.org/category/chemtrail-news/
Facebook Removes Weather Modification and HAARP Pages
Posted by CommunityChemtrail News, FeaturedMonday, December 2nd, 2013
Facebook Weather Mod Pages Totaling Tens of Thousands, Forced To Start Over Again.
(BIN) Facebook removed TheWeatherSpace.com Network on November 12, 2013 without a solid reason as to why. In fact all sites on the server were gone. A chemtrail monitoring page, a HAARP Status Monitoring Page, a Southern California Weather Page, and the National Weather Page. All pages totaled over 100,000 likes.
When arriving at Facebook the security team greeted me and told me to fill a card out. I then gave my license as I thought this was the process to see someone there and get a visitor badge. No big deal here … 2 minutes later 6 police cars came in and told me to leave. I really did not know where this came from. They didn’t really know either, however I left and drove the 6 hours back to Southern California empty handed. I had no answers.
I have since started over on the new Facebook Pages and have seen growth in them in only 10 days.
TheWeatherSpace.com Network Facebook Page - Click Here – Had 63,000 people and was gaining 10,000 every 2-3 weeks and growing fast. This page is a custom weather forecast and alert system that is not government controlled so try it out and trust your citizens to take care of the rest.
HAARP Status page – Click Here – Had 26,000 people on it and most noted for Detecting HURRICANE SANDY 10 days before hitting. It’s under 1000 now but posts update frequency maps on what is being detected in the upper atmosphere. It’s useful to some.
Chemtrail Forecast Systems – Click Here – Had 6,000 people on it. It’s under 1000. It posts daily Chemtrail Forecasts out to four days judging on the previous day’s activity. It’s useful to some as well.
Southern California Weather Authority – Click Here – Had 8,000 people on it … It’s now just over 1000. It was the most unique and largest forecast project for 10 counties across Southern California.
TheWeatherSpace.com Main Page – Not Facebook, but is the home of the project. Housing an alert system with thousands of people on it, receiving non-government issued tornado, winter and other forecast products.
03-12-2013 12:08 PM - edited 03-12-2013 12:13 PM
P007, you do seem to like references to nutters: "Facebook removed TheWeatherSpace.com Network on November 12, 2013 without a solid reason as to why" Try researching P007.
A site run by an individual (Kevin Martin) with absolutely no qualifications (experience) in meteorology/science (sounds familiar), who calls himself a senior meteorologist, and who has "threatened RationalWiki and Facebook and others using Facebook, has actually just been suspended by Facebook, which is rather lax in my opinion.
"Martin's concept of weather reporting apparently included UFO stories. In 2010, Martin admitted to hoaxing video and still images of a "UFO spiral" allegedly seen one night in Canada"
" The US National Weather Service were forced to issue a public statement about his dangerously unfounded forecasts and copycat alerts which he created to mimic the layout of official NWS alerts. He is well known on the chem trail scene. "
Refs:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread959972/pg1
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kevin_Martin
I suggest some credible references, NASA CSIRO would be a good start, or an airline pilots association/ RAF pilot etc. However, my civilian and military flying/engineering qualifications would count for nothing, as I am not an evil chemmer and regard them as just high flying myths, or misters.
I once loaded up my C180 with sawdust and then did a low-level dump pass over a nearby skydiving club where the jumpers were packing their parachutes in the open, (cost me a few beers that evening). It was in broad daylight for all to see, which would make me a "good" evil chem pilot.
Is that evil enough?
nɥºɾ
on 03-12-2013 12:42 PM
Facebook page is your reference........giggle..........
03-12-2013 01:33 PM - edited 03-12-2013 01:36 PM
P007, whilst the individuals that you link to appear to be nuts, and mostly without any knowledge of science /aviation, I find your links to anti evil chem spraying sites a source of amazement ( and chuckles) in their lack of knowledge, or deliberate obfuscation of the truth.
I will work my way through the aircraft shots that so obviously hint at evil doings and evil spraying hardware from your earlier reference : "Chemtrails connected to UN 2013 Report?" Here is one:
That looks really evil, and for once the nutters got it right, the device is actually used to spray, "how very evil you say"!
Now the not so evil truth: it is an aircraft refuelling boom modified to spray. "How very very evil you say" Not so evil I am afraid P007, it just sprays water (H2O sounds a little evil though) Look on it as an airborne fly-in plane wash, or if you actually want a basic aeronautical explanation, just post "evil", here, and I will explain.
Perhaps it is being used to wash off any traces of even more evil stuff on the other aircraft (just look at the the tips of the vertical stabilisers !!!!!) thus there are no evil traces remaining when it lands, we can only guess what nasty evil stuff it has been up to, and I bet some will !
nɥºɾ
on 03-12-2013 09:33 PM
Your responses are pathetic siggs.....at least monman puts some effort into his responses!!
All you have responded to date siggs is 'flawed thinking'....then you do not say why, blurt out 'put your tin foil hat on'....*wow* this is ceratinly a mature response..... and resorting to your fav response of ..*giggle* was to be expected, been waiting for this lil' number
Just pathetic IMO !
This might be more up your alley Siggs, argument wise speaking?:
http://www.australianscience.com.au/chemistry-2/chemtrails-conspiracy-theory/
on 03-12-2013 10:00 PM
Hhhhmmmn monman, thanks for the pics of the 'airborne plane wash' ! I am just taking your word for it that it is, I wouldn't know.....but I guess any apparatus can be used for a variety of operations.
ref. bucketing down a plane load of sawdust on some skydivers who were part way thru prepping/packing their parachutes on the ground...? Now that was evil 🙂
another link to a great read for you : http://realnewsaustralia.com/2013/05/14/look-up-speak-up-the-chemtrail-issue/
Look Up. Speak Up – The Chemtrail Issue
By General Maddox.
Look! Up in the sky. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s a chemtrail.
The debate on chemtrail vs. contrail has been going on relatively behind the scenes for over a decade now. Websites and social media pages exposing the chemtrail/geo-engineering programs visually and with written evidence or testimony from those within such geo-engineering programs are up against those that wish to debunk the issue.
Now there are groups all over the country, in fact the world who are willing to speak up after looking up and seeing them with their own eyes. See what exactly? A chemtrail. Ask anyone who is passionate about the issue and they’ll tell you that the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail is that a contrail dissipates after a few minutes. A chemtrail on the other hand lasts for many hours.
A contrail or condensation trail is simply water vapour that comes from jet engine exhausts. A chemtrail or chemical trail is a release of particulates into the atmosphere consisting of various chemicals and metals. See here for a previous article of mine listing them.
There are known weather modification programs going on all over the world. They were even carried out here in my home state of Queensland, Australia. In fact these programs have been recently approved by other state governments here in Australia for the Snowy Mountains region. So it’s not a case of IF these programs exist but WHY.
I had a chance to interview anti-chemtrail activist, Paul Mac, who has helped organise recent awareness and anti-chemtrail rallies in Melbourne. I was impressed by both the reach these groups have gained and the fact that so many everyday ordinary Australians have been noticing something strange going on in the skies above them.
The self confessed aviation enthusiast has been noticing the odd trails lingering in the skies for more than two years now. “I was skeptical at first but I researched it, made my own observations and decided that what people such as Dane Wigington (geoengineeringwatch.org) & Scott Stevens (Former mainstream media weatherman) were saying was actually correct”, said Paul.
But it didn’t stop there Paul was concerned enough to make contact with a colleague of his in Queensland who had started up the Australians Against Chemtrails group on social media site Facebook. “I started looking around to see what people were doing about the issue and quickly realised that there was a movement going on but nothing much happening in Australia”, he said. In an effort to mobilise people on the issue they created groups in every capital city. “We now have over 20 Facebook groups in major and regional centres throughout Australia as well as global affiliations”.
That’s all well and good but it’s fair to say that it’s a captive audience as those not interested in the issue or don’t know of the issue aren’t about to search for these pages on Facebook or look up the websites above. So that’s why there was a global protest and awareness campaign back in January and more recently a local awareness campaign for Australia and New Zealand on April 20, 2013.
As a result numbers within these groups are growing quickly and people are starting to look up but more importantly, speak up. “The public reaction to these protests in general has been mixed but mostly positive”, said Paul. “Over 10,000 leaflets with detailed information has been handed out to the public”.
I myself have seen chemtrails on a few occasions. Even shot a video on my way home of one in action. There was a big weather front on it’s way in from the west and i noticed the clouds looking strange. Odd colours and patterns that sort of thing. As I pulled over I saw a plane dumping it’s payload right across the path of the weather system. It then did another two runs each time spraying who knows what in the storms path and at angles ordinary passenger planes wouldn’t fly on. In addition the area in which this plane was spraying isn’t a flight path of commercial passenger planes. It was however right around the area of the Amberley Airforce Base.
Weather modification flights out of Amberley are not uncommon. A friend of mine who’s uncle visits the base for work has seen first hand “kitted up planes” pre-flight prior to the devastating Queensland floods and he wasn’t talking munition payloads under the wings either.
The truth of the matter is 99% of the time we don’t know exactly what is being sprayed on us. When airlines, governments and weather modification companies are asked in writing to disclose their methods and more importantly the ingredients of the aerosols the answer is either silence or a response explaining that the trails seen are just contrails. Their public policy of denial is evident.
Sounds about right considering the repercussions they face if its made public that all the heavy metals and other toxic substances falling down on us are edging us closer and closer to a global health crisis.
The U.S government has a long history of experimenting on their own military personnel and even worse the general public all in the name of “science” or “national security”. There have even been papers written by military personnel for the USAF discussing using weather as a weapon.
So what makes us think they wouldn’t do it again? Only this time it could very well be done under the auspices of saving the planet from global warming or is it climate change now?
Thing is… they are. Geo-engineering is the new “party line” but these so-called scientists aren’t playing politics. What they are playing with is the delicate eco-systems on this planet. Their stated goal is to dump, via aircraft released aerosols, 10 to 20 million tons of aluminium oxide nano-particles into our atmosphere to help block the suns rays in a deluded attempt to cool the planet.
Now does that sound like a good idea to you? Who’s to say that these tests or experiments with our atmosphere aren’t going on right now? There’s plenty of evidence to suggest it most certainly is. Oh… you didn’t see it? Try tilting your head up on a 45 degree angle next time you’re outside instead of looking at your iPhone and you might just see it.
And when you do…speak up! There are plenty of people willing to listen.
on 03-12-2013 10:19 PM
Especially for ioncewas.....siggs.....monman and Co., cos you are all so 'special' and deserve it:)
http://realnewsaustralia.com/2013/08/07/corpus-delicti-metabunk-scam-or-is-it/
Corpus Delicti | Metabunk Scam or is it?
Well friends, we have been scammed by the tools at metabunk a beauty. Max Bliss was approached by an “industry insider” aka “whistleblower” on the basis of this person wanting to divulge what is happening with Chemtrails and Geo-Engineering, cautious conversation began, a sense of trust was built, factually correct information was given, information that is highly plausible and very feasible…in fact so feasible it could in part be the truth and an attempt to hide the truth in plain sight.
Think about this, there are only so many places on an aircraft where chemicals can be stored for dispersal and only so many delivery systems available to release them, while there has been wide ranging conjecture in the geo-eng movement about how and where these systems are, much of that conjecture has just been wrong, aircraft test weights is a great example, so many well meaning but mis-informed people have jumped to the conclusion that these barrels are filled with chemicals etc, those in the industry have just laughed at that and anyone with some common sense can see it would be one of the most impractical arrangements you could possibly use for dispersal and yet well known names in the movement are still putting these pictures up and sensationalizing the claim.
My point is, the actual scope of delivery systems is extremely limited and must conform to aircraft safety and flight envelope regimes in terms of functionality etc. There are no hidden containers in lavatories, test weights (could be used) are inefficient and pretty **bleep** obvious (imagine the hazards filling all those?) and could only be used on ghost flights. This leaves only a few realistic options.
Ejection
Storage
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Following the above back to a reasonable conclusion, we could and have been saying all along that injection is most likely, given the TMA and CWT scenario played out on us by metabunks toolshop there is an obvious connection to what we have been saying, so here’s the rub and its quite clever really, knowing that there are limited feasible methods of dispersal and that we are edging closer to the Truth each day, why not hatch a plan such as this, layout evidence and then snatch it back in an instant debunk, one they can claim with all of their pathetic little hearts as their own, in one foul swoop they have (in their minds) debunked the argument and protected the delivery system from further investigation aka any argument that is put forth is null as the info was a set up and auto debunked by them, brilliant, you can hear the haughty **bleep**ers patting themselves on the back from here. In actual fact what they are doing is protecting the Truth in plain sight, making it untouchable and easily deflected (again in their minds).
The reality is that we are very close to someone coming forward and disclosing what is going on, metabunks actions prove this beyond any reasonable doubt, they are worried that their house of cards will come crashing down and they will be exposed as the liars and shills that they really are, so in a stroke of desperate genius (so they think), they set up this scam to protect what is going on from further prying eyes. In doing so they have taken a grave risk, so I suspect this will now be viciously defended and the further character assassinations of global leaders in the movement such as Max Bliss will be ramped up.
What they have not taken into account is the tenacity and persistence we will continue to commit to disclosure for the geo crime being played out above our heads every day. To any genuine whistle blowers reading this, I am sure you realize the implications of what has just occurred, yet at the same time you would have seen how Max has approached this episode, his integrity in protecting his sources and the depth of his character in how he is handling the fallout of this deception.
I encourage you to consider still coming forth with your information, to work with us and be our hero in disclosure. You know in your heart that what is happening is wrong and is affecting millions of people around the world right now, this I imagine is a terribly heavy burden and one that is causing much conflict within you. Please do not let these idiots win the day with their deceptions, they are morally reprehensible and have lost all their conscience many years ago, burnt and seared by their continual lies and the 100’s of thousands of people they have murdered via chemical trails and unchecked geo-engineering.
Yes our movement has a few quacks and some definite crazies in it, but it also has many wonderful normal genuine everyday people in it, people who have looked up and noticed something different is going on, people who just want answers to their questions and have been stonewalled, lied to and deceived by charlatans like metabunk, people who just want to protect their families and children. – Don’t let us down, please be our hero and stand up for what is right in this world, we offer as much protection and anonymity as we possibly can, you may still face some serious charges in the eyes of the law, but like those who give evidence against others you will have the benefit of that position. I for one would stand up in a court of law and give you a character reference and commendation for your honesty and courage and I know many others would too.
We are very very close to a global tipping point, geo-engineering is being pre positioned, the public is being brainwashed into accepting this as the “norm” and as the planets savior, shills, trolls, debunkers and the outright ignorant are stepping up their campaigns against us in vain attempts to discredit and hide the Truth from the mainstream. While this sad attempt from metabunk has been anti-climatic, it also has been very encouraging, we know we are closer than ever, our foes have shown just how low they will stoop to score a point and a tactical advantage, but more so they have shown us that we are on the right track with our investigation and have even pointed directly at where we must intensify enquiry.
We are just ordinary people, peaceful citizens who want answers to our questions, we are not seasoned combatants like the metabunk people, we are not paid or financed in our efforts as they are, we receive no reward for our efforts but ridicule and debasement and yet we fight on, we continue to ask the hard questions, we continue to stand up for what is right in this world. Yes we ran with this scam, why wouldn’t we?, this is exactly the type of situation we have been trying to create, of course we were always going to run with it, of course we were going to give the benefit of the doubt and risk ridicule for being wrong, why wouldn’t we?
We love this planet, it’s our only home, we have children, grand children, families, lovers and friends, why wouldn’t we fight to protect that? I, like Max and many others around the world are prepared to be spat on, laughed at, mocked, denigrated and harassed by the likes of Mick West and his buddies because we know the Truth, because we believe in what we are doing, because our consciences won’t permit us to do anything else except fight for the Truth to be told, because we love and respect our fellow man so much that we would lay down our very lives to have them wake up and join this fight.
We are not put off by fools and mockers, our inboxes are filled with your vile triads every day, we have become accustomed to the methods you use and the sting of your words is but dust to us. We will continue to fight the good fight, continue to get the word out and wake people up. One day soon we will be victorious in having this information proven in the eyes of the world and as sweet as that vindication will be, we will be back out the next day to have a ban on geo-engineering placed worldwide and see the perpetrators of this crime jailed for their corrupt deceptions, we know this is why you are fighting so hard just now, because you see we are close and you fear the consequences of your actions, you fear being sent to jail but most of all you fear us.
“Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.” ― Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi
About the author Paul Mac is the Administrator, group leader & organiser of Melbourne Against Chemtrails & Aust/Nz Geo-Engineering Protest.
on 03-12-2013 10:32 PM
Weather modification, protecting our livelihoods or harming us all?
....The recent floods in Queensland Australia may have actually been as a result of such geo-engineering. It was revealed that the Queensland government was in a bidding war with Ecuador over contracts to sell water to Japan. In order to win, the Bligh government spent millions on cloud seeding operations in order to increase supply to **bleep** levels in catchment areas around South-East Queensland. However the Queensland government didn’t win the bid and we were left with dam levels around 200% capacity. The result of this weather modification was a dam release of enough water to devastate the lives of tens of thousands of families and property. Do we still need proof that weather modification is harmful?.........
........p. 6 from http://www.floodcommission.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0011/4223/Anderson_Jay.pdf
....."....Talks between the state government and the Thai royal household began in 2009 but
an agreement was reached only in June.
It allows for exchange of scientists to study the rain-making methods. The technique
was recognised in 2005 and covered by patents in 30 European countries.
Reports said Queensland Premier Anna Bligh had recently forwarded a letter to King
Bhumipol, now 83, acknowledging the assistance for access to the techniques.
Queensland initially made the request for assistance when the state was more than
35 per cent drought affected in 2009. But heavy rains across the region over the first
half of this year has left less than two per cent of coverage still affected.
And then there is this interesting fact - 2008 Feasibility Study for the Augmentation of
Rain & Air Chemistry Monitoring carried out by Weather Modification Inc. on behalf of
the Qld EPA. WMI kindly supplied the 'Instrumented Aircraft and Crew for Cloud
Seeding'.
http://www.weathermodification.com/projects.php?id=4
I have also been informed that the Queensland govt has been trying to sell water to
the Japanese. Originally, the Japanese were going to buy water from Equador until
the Queensland govt came into a price war against Equador and told the Japanese
that "we can do a better deal". When the floods happened, the Japanese had pulled
out of the QLD deal and went back to Equador because they undercut QLD's deal.
The most likely scenerio is that Bligh had given the ‘go ahead’ to implement the
above outlined weather modification technologies so there'd be a copious amount of
water to sell to the Japanese. The dam floodgates at Wivenhoe were opened
because the dam wall integrity would be compromised and consequently flooded
peoples homes and businesses all because Bligh could not sell the water; they had
to let it go.
Queenslanders, and recently Victorians, who had insurance cover found out that the
Insurance companies would not pay up because they called it "not a natural disaster"
because they KNEW the govt initiated the disaster. I remember the news media had
aired a lady in Victoria stunned to find her insurance company would not pay up as it
was, quote, "not a natural disaster".
This scenario can be confirmed with documents from the Commodity Futures Trading
Commission in Washington discussing “events contracts”."......