China puts tariffs of up to 200 per cent on Australian wine

[twyngwyn]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/china-puts-tariffs-on-australian-wine-trade-tensions/12886700

[rogespeed]

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@feloniexyz wrote:

Coles and Woolworths are possibly the biggest culprits.  I shop at foodland , where the owners endeavor to stock , not only Australian products , but more specifically South Australian , where I live .

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Should be a law whereby primary produers can sell retail at the farmgate regardless of any existing wholesale contracts - this way local people can enjoy sun ripened produce from their own region 

[*tippy*toes*]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@feloniexyz wrote:

Coles and Woolworths are possibly the biggest culprits.  I shop at foodland , where the owners endeavor to stock , not only Australian products , but more specifically South Australian , where I live .

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Should be a law whereby primary produers can sell retail at the farmgate regardless of any existing wholesale contracts - this way local people can enjoy sun ripened produce from their own region 

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They already do. It's called the Farmer's Markets. Admittedly, they don't sell from the farm gate, but they all gather once a month to sell their fresh produce in town. That said, a lot of fruit producers will sell straight from the farm to the public. Speaking of which, it's almost cherry season! Bring it on.

[cezm]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

If you refuse to buy Chinese made goods you are not going to have much choice of goods in Australian retail shops.  So many Aussie businesses manufacture in Chinese factories and bring the stock back here....proudly labelled Made In China!

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Many are advocating only buy Australian owned, made and produced but I'm inclined to believe any one, or combination of those, supports Australia.

Many businesses just can't afford to manufacture here, especially with the relatively small market. If pressure is put on them not to export to China they will surely suffer more

Australia depends on the $billions exports to China and whilst we could just find another market, that's not so easy

I read that 30% of our food exports go to China. We need to think carefully before we cut them off

[feloniexyz]

If Australia reciprocated , not with enormous tariffs,  but by stopping sending food to China,  they would soon be singing a different  song. 

I expect China needs our exports , perhaps even more than everyone seems to think we need theirs .

If China receives 30% of our food imports,  you can bet that the agreement works in their favor sending us 10 times as much inferior **bleep**. 

Yes , we have become reliant on their trade,  but , it is not too late to turn that around. 

The pandemic should be a wake-up call to everyone .  If China manufactures 30% of our toilet paper,  this is the reason for the shortages .

If China produced 30% of all foodstuffs here,  in a global crisis as we've seen , could that mean 30 % of Australians could starve to death ? 

What about when all manufacturing is in China, that's where it's heading . There will be no choices,  they can charge the rest of the world whatever they like for anything,  because they will have a monopoly.  Which completely defeats the purpose of going offshore in the first place .

There's a  clear example of this with the baby formula . Chinese in Australia,  stripping shelves of $30 baby formula bare,  and sending it overseas to their own people and charging them $80 tin. 

If they can do that to their own people,  what do you think they would be capable of doing to us ? 

[chameleon54]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

are we the only little country china has a beef with or are there others getting similar treatment?

stuff china, lets stop buying tvs and **bleep** cars from there and all the other shyte.

like make america great again caps lol

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China is currently picking fights with most of its trading partners. Canada is having a scrap with them, the U.S. is having a full blown tariff / trade war with China, India is in trouble and even the Brits are in China's sights.  Google Wolf warrior diplomacy to get a better understanding of what is going on.

China's international " diplomacy "  is totally off the rails at the moment. The silly part is, China's trading partners including Australia are going to look for other markets and factor in a risk premiums when selling bulk commodities to China, so it is going to end up ultimately costing them dearly.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/understand-chinas-aggressive-foreign-policy-look-its-domestic-politics 

[rogespeed]

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@feloniexyz wrote:

Coles and Woolworths are possibly the biggest culprits.  I shop at foodland , where the owners endeavor to stock , not only Australian products , but more specifically South Australian , where I live .

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Should be a law whereby primary produers can sell retail at the farmgate regardless of any existing wholesale contracts - this way local people can enjoy sun ripened produce from their own region 

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They already do. It's called the Farmer's Markets. Admittedly, they don't sell from the farm gate, but they all gather once a month to sell their fresh produce in town. That said, a lot of fruit producers will sell straight from the farm to the public. Speaking of which, it's almost cherry season! Bring it on.

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Farmer's markets : Once a month ? do you shop monthly ?

[rogespeed]

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@feloniexyz wrote:

If Australia reciprocated , not with enormous tariffs,  but by stopping sending food to China,  they would soon be singing a different  song. 

I expect China needs our exports , perhaps even more than everyone seems to think we need theirs .

If China receives 30% of our food imports,  you can bet that the agreement works in their favor sending us 10 times as much inferior **bleep**. 

Yes , we have become reliant on their trade,  but , it is not too late to turn that around. 

The pandemic should be a wake-up call to everyone .  If China manufactures 30% of our toilet paper,  this is the reason for the shortages .

If China produced 30% of all foodstuffs here,  in a global crisis as we've seen , could that mean 30 % of Australians could starve to death ? 

What about when all manufacturing is in China, that's where it's heading . There will be no choices,  they can charge the rest of the world whatever they like for anything,  because they will have a monopoly.  Which completely defeats the purpose of going offshore in the first place .

There's a  clear example of this with the baby formula . Chinese in Australia,  stripping shelves of $30 baby formula bare,  and sending it overseas to their own people and charging them $80 tin. 

If they can do that to their own people,  what do you think they would be capable of doing to us ? 

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They would argue is called free enterprise , so what are we complaining about ? -

Regarding baby formula exports by private individuals for clearly capital gain,  the crime is that retail businesses such as supermarkets retail point of sales do not supply wholesale so would be in violation to regulations selling at wholesale volumes to individuals , and also those that are exporting are likely trading in a manner recognisable as a business by the ATO and so need to register as a business etc etc - do we have a business operations compliance office ?  Anyone out there checking these suspect commercial operations ? 

[davewil1964]

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@feloniexyz wrote:

Coles and Woolworths are possibly the biggest culprits.  I shop at foodland , where the owners endeavor to stock , not only Australian products , but more specifically South Australian , where I live .

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Should be a law whereby primary produers can sell retail at the farmgate regardless of any existing wholesale contracts - this way local people can enjoy sun ripened produce from their own region 

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They already do. It's called the Farmer's Markets. Admittedly, they don't sell from the farm gate, but they all gather once a month to sell their fresh produce in town. That said, a lot of fruit producers will sell straight from the farm to the public. Speaking of which, it's almost cherry season! Bring it on.

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Farmer's markets : Once a month ? do you shop monthly ?

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I shop weekly. I have TWO Famer's markets to choose from every Sunday. Just one of the advantages of living in civilisation.

If, however, I lived where farmer's markets were monthly, I woul avail myself of my freezer for freezable stuff, and the local supermarket for stuff that wouldn't last for more than a week. So 3/4 of perishables and 0/4 of storable.

[rogespeed]

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@twyngwyn wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/china-puts-tariffs-on-australian-wine-trade-tensions/12886700

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Obviously they think Australian wine is so superior quality that it could not and should not be sold for the current competitive price and so they have adjusted the price to reflect the high prestige image 

Maybe we should just add a sticker*  to each bottle in Chinese " 200% import levy quality " 

Chinese Government implied endorsement of quality might attract more sales !  

* suggest red background bordered by gold - letters in gold 

[rogespeed]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

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@rogespeed wrote:

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@feloniexyz wrote:

Coles and Woolworths are possibly the biggest culprits.  I shop at foodland , where the owners endeavor to stock , not only Australian products , but more specifically South Australian , where I live .

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Should be a law whereby primary produers can sell retail at the farmgate regardless of any existing wholesale contracts - this way local people can enjoy sun ripened produce from their own region 

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They already do. It's called the Farmer's Markets. Admittedly, they don't sell from the farm gate, but they all gather once a month to sell their fresh produce in town. That said, a lot of fruit producers will sell straight from the farm to the public. Speaking of which, it's almost cherry season! Bring it on.

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Farmer's markets : Once a month ? do you shop monthly ?

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I shop weekly. I have TWO Famer's markets to choose from every Sunday. Just one of the advantages of living in civilisation.

If, however, I lived where farmer's markets were monthly, I woul avail myself of my freezer for freezable stuff, and the local supermarket for stuff that wouldn't last for more than a week. So 3/4 of perishables and 0/4 of storable.

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frozen produce is not sun ripened fresh