Coronavirus update

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-live-updates-mclaren-lewis-hamilton-travel-ban/12...

[lionrose.7]

Just letting my Aussie Cousins know NZ is still here and doing ok not gone like Trump says LOL

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus updates: EU trade commissioner under pressure to quit after going to golf dinner during event ban

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/coronavirus-covid-19-update-uk-schools-pakistan-deaths/125875...

[4channel]

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@rogevibe wrote:

A interesting recollection of 98 symptoms that American Covid-19 patients say they have had or still suffer.

https://www.eatthis.com/covid-19-signs/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=msn-feed

I am wondering whether patients here have suffered similar , some, none, all ? 

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Gosh, hypochondriacs would be having a field day. Gee, I remember back in the 80s with Aids being the big scare, many people were worried when they got night sweats and were thinking they had it.  Poor folks had worried themselves into such a state that they'd wake up in the night sweating.

[rogevibe]

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@4channel wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

A interesting recollection of 98 symptoms that American Covid-19 patients say they have had or still suffer.

https://www.eatthis.com/covid-19-signs/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=msn-feed

I am wondering whether patients here have suffered similar , some, none, all ? 

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Gosh, hypochondriacs would be having a field day. Gee, I remember back in the 80s with Aids being the big scare, many people were worried when they got night sweats and were thinking they had it.  Poor folks had worried themselves into such a state that they'd wake up in the night sweating.

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Symptom Number 17 ....

[rogevibe]

been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ... 

No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?

How long can covid survive if frozen ?  

If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ? 

Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ? 

[davewil1964]

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@rogevibe wrote:

been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ... 

No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?

How long can covid survive if frozen ?  

If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ? 

Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ? 

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Is 1 imported worker prepared to do the work, for the pittance offered, better than 4 local long term unemployed who won't do the work, is the question

[ambercat16]

Not sure what "talk" you are referring to.....but if it is the proposal to bring fruit pickers from Vanuatu to Darwin for the mango season, there certainly is every intention that they go through 14 days mandatory quarantine at the Howard Springs facility on arrival.

[lionrose.7]

We have to get indian workers from Fiji to pick Kiwi fruit because most of the unemployed are in Auckland and not Bay of Plenty, so getting them done here with accomodation just seems to be to hard,  wage $17.50 hour by law

[rogevibe]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ... 

No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?

How long can covid survive if frozen ?  

If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ? 

Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ? 

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Is 1 imported worker prepared to do the work, for the pittance offered, better than 4 local long term unemployed who won't do the work, is the question

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I am thinking single long term unemployed , they could be coaxed into picking work if suburban standard accommodation was provided , piecemeal picking work earnings are not dole deducted ( single job seeker is 60% under the poverty line) , free transport, civilised start of work time, shifts of 4 hours max. effective protective gear provided, 

Something unsettling about a country that can not provide it's own required workforce - like a beached whale seemingly enjoying the sunshine.

[chameleon54]

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

been talk of letting in guest workers in the thousands for the harvest trail - international fly in fly out - not housers from outer Sydney ... 

No mention of testing or 14 day isolation - seems the consensus is that these workers will be isolated enough - however how do they safely transit , how will local supervision remain uncontaminated ?

How long can covid survive if frozen ?  

If this is decided , who will be clearly responsible for any outbreak ? 

Is 4 nationally local long term unemployed working 4 hour per day shifts better than 1 imported
"experienced and hardened worker" from a relatively pandemic region regarding infection risks to the wider long suffering community ? 

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Is 1 imported worker prepared to do the work, for the pittance offered, better than 4 local long term unemployed who won't do the work, is the question

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I am thinking single long term unemployed , they could be coaxed into picking work if suburban standard accommodation was provided , piecemeal picking work earnings are not dole deducted ( single job seeker is 60% under the poverty line) , free transport, civilised start of work time, shifts of 4 hours max. effective protective gear provided, 

Something unsettling about a country that can not provide it's own required workforce - like a beached whale seemingly enjoying the sunshine.

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One of my kids worked in the horticultural industry doing the same work as backpackers around 18 months ago. Sure the hours where long but he was clearing over $1000 per week which was reasonable money for a teenager with no previous experience.

Australians have just become too soft and mollycoddled. To few know how to work hard any more. Heaven help us if we ever had to go to war.

If there is any good to come out of COVID it might be that it cleans out some of fluff and fat built into our labour and social systems. Too many people sitting in padded chairs, drinking coffees and watching the clock all day and too few actually doing anything meaningful or constructive.

That's why our living standards and wages have been stagnating for the last decade. Unless Australians can start being a bit more industrious, self reliant  and entrepreneurial the country will continue to stagnate and fall behind other more progressive and resourceful nations.