Counter Terrorism raids in Victoria

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A 31-year-old man, believed to be a notorious right-wing extremist, was arrested by Special Operations Group members.  Victoria police counter terrorism command Assistant Commissioner Ross Guenther​ said that earlier this year they had received information that suggested there were individuals  or an individual looking at either advocating harm against Victorian individuals.  It is understood the man is a member of the anti-immigration group Reclaim Australia, who served jail time last year for possessing tasers and mercury.

So, friend of Pauline?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/terror-raids-in-melbournes-northwest-and-country-victoria-20160806...

[debra9275]

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@lind9650 wrote:

What those stupid "Reclaim Australia" fanatics don't seem to get, is that the only people with a moral right to reclaim this land are the native indigenous people of Australia.

Everyone else, even if born here, stems from another country. Their parents, ancestors came here as convicts, refugees or migrants.

Those fanatics are the root of all evil in this world. We just have to look around and see someone claiming to have more right to a certain piece of land and starting a war regardless of how many of their own people will loose their life.

I am not a hateful or vengeful person, but I hate those that strife for war against others.

Erica

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agree with every word you've said Erica.. I just hate seeing the fighting in the streets we get here, we don't  want to live like that. and these extremist groups do not speak for everyone ( they seem to believe they do though)

[peteepie]

Well it will be interesting to see what sort of a case the police have.  If it gets thrown out the clowns will see it as some sort of victory.  Either way it will just serve to entrench their ill informed views.  Hopefully they have something concrete to lock this dingbat up, but I have my doubts as they are usually all **bleep** and wind.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@lind9650 wrote:

What those stupid "Reclaim Australia" fanatics don't seem to get, is that the only people with a moral right to reclaim this land are the native indigenous people of Australia.

Everyone else, even if born here, stems from another country. Their parents, ancestors came here as convicts, refugees or migrants.

Those fanatics are the root of all evil in this world. We just have to look around and see someone claiming to have more right to a certain piece of land and starting a war regardless of how many of their own people will loose their life.

I am not a hateful or vengeful person, but I hate those that strife for war against others.

Erica

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The other thing I find absurd is: what exactly are we supposed to be 'reclaiming' ? We have a Government the majority of us voted for, nobody  has confiscated my home,  my pension or any of my possessions and I am free to worship wherever and whichever god I choose - or to write NO RELIGION on my census form. In fact I can't recall having had a single one of the rights or privileges  I previously enjoyed snatched away from me lately. 

[davidc4430]

the police are in a no win position, even if someone seems to be extremist so far we dont lock people up just for saying things.

like how many people would be locked up if we locked up everyone heard to say 'i'm gonna kill you for that!'

all the women threatened by boyfriends/husbands/exhusbands would be much safer if we locked those guys up but we dont and then some of them attack or kill their exs.

then we say oh he should have been locked up because he said he'd do it.

we do seem to be getting closer to locking up certain people for saying things we deem extremist. will it stop a terrorist attack, we dont know. might have had monis been locked up.

but a lot of these looney tunes dont say or do enough before going crazy to get locked up.

[bsal6160]

news flash, even the so called indigenious poeple came from elsewhere, so just who really has claim ?

how many generations of a single family have to live somewhere before you can say "I have just as much claim to this place as anyone else?"

and what those "Anti-Racist" protesters dont get is that they are being racist against that other lot...

two sides to every situation...

[esayaf]

Unless you live in Africa you are a feral species. White people are just weakened mutations of the original people evolved from African origins.
Yet it's white people that perpetrated the vilest of cultural oppression. Maybe it's recognition of how weak and pathetic white people subconsciously think they are. Most bullying is initiated by insecurity.

[springyzone]

Lind said:

What those stupid "Reclaim Australia" fanatics don't seem to get, is that the only people with a moral right to reclaim this land are the native indigenous people of Australia.

Everyone else, even if born here, stems from another country. Their parents, ancestors came here as convicts, refugees or migrants.

Those fanatics are the root of all evil in this world. We just have to look around and see someone claiming to have more right to a certain piece of land and starting a war regardless of how many of their own people will loose their life.

I am not a hateful or vengeful person, but I hate those that strife for war against others.

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I agree with part of what you said and I wasn't going to reply to this post as people might take it the wrong way, that i support extremists and I don't.

But there is one part of the post that riles me a bit and I see it said a lot.the only people with a moral right to reclaim this land are the native indigenous people of Australia.

To me, that is a very divisive comment & racist because what it implies is that current aborigines have more rights than other Australians living here, simply based on their ancestry and race, not on anything personal they have done. Their race has been here longer so they have a better claim.

Really, how is that attitude so different to the Reclaim Australia folk?

If we follow that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, then white Australians are forever rejected as 'real' Australians.

To me, 'Australia' as an entity started with Federation on 1st Jan 1901, at which time this land was mainly populated by people of British descent. It is of historical interest but present day Australia is made up of people with lots of different ancestral backgrounds.

What defines an Australian today? To me it isn't ancestral background, it is a mind set where the person feels that this country is their home, they live here, they raise their family here. And they should all have the same right to decide the future track of the nation, whether their background here goes back 100 years or 1000 years.

And as long as they obey the laws, they should all entitled to go about their business in peace, without all this violence from other people.

I don't care who is in this country or whether they were born here or migrant, but if they can't let others live in peace, if they think they can kill, threaten,  knife,bash, behead, bomb or any other violent thing for any reason, lock them away. We don't need it.

[the_great_she_elephant]

the only people with a moral right to reclaim this land are the native indigenous people of Australia.

I t may not be a moral right., but technically it is absolutely correct. To reclaim something is to take it back and regardless of how or why or whether or not it should have happened, the only people ever to have had Australia taken from them are, indeed, the Aboriginal people.

The day the First fFeet landed, existing Australian Law and the rights of the country's occupants were changed as fundamentally  as ours would have been had we actually  been subjected to  Sharia Law by the Muslims that Reclaim Australia insist have taken over our country. 

In the unlikely event of   Aboriginal people attempting to  to 'reclaim' their country, 200 odd years after it was taken from them, how would that be  different from the Jewish people actually reclaiming theirs  nearly 2000 yers after it had been taken from them

[springyzone]

Yes, to reclaim something is to take it back.

But the organisation is called Reclaim Australia.

Is it referring to only the land as such or the institution as it was?

I would have thought it was a mixture of both.

Regardless. I don't believe that what you say is necessarily true.

Let's look at it.

The aboriginal people did indeed have their land overrun. Their culture was relegated to a sideline and British culture took over completely. Why and how? Because the British and others came in in huge numbers and overwhelmed the native population.

All that is history, similar things have happened in a lot of places and we can't go back. Some of the things that happened back then were horrific.

But it leaves an interesting question. Does it mean that no one else should have a say now in how this country is run? (Talking about it not just as land but as a political entity etc) At what point would you feel someone here had rights?

Let's say that Australia had been invaded by the Japanese in the second world war. Would you say that the population here should have thought they had no right to the country and only the aboriginal people could fight them? What if Darwin had been taken? Would you think people here had no right to try to 'reclaim' it as it wasn't theirs originally?

I guess my way of thinking is more pragmatic. It matters not who may have lived on the land in the past, we have to live in the here and now and a lot of people have a stake in this country. They do indeed own land now. They have a right to a say.

And that should apply whether they have lived here for 50 years or migrated here only 5 years ago. A citizen is a citizen.

I don't support the reclaim Aust group at all, don't get me wrong, but I do think if we faced a genuine invasion or a war situation, every citizen here would have the right to resist invaders (I don't define migrants as invaders, I mean if we were on a war footing.)

This is now our country.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Yes, to reclaim something is to take it back.

But the organisation is called Reclaim Australia.

Is it referring to only the land as such or the institution as it was?

To be honest, Springy, I don't think they have the faintest idea what they are tactually trying to 'reclaim'  They just feel affronted by people who look, dress and worship differently from them and feel tthat this threatens some fuzzy quality they call "Australian values" - a quality which, on closer examination,  probably equates in their minds (and despite their bleatings about the subjugation of Muslim women) to white, macho and  patriarchal