Diary of our stinking Govt.

[boris1gary]

As it's more than 100 days now, it has been suggested that a new thread was needed.  The current govt has been breaking promises and telling lies at a rate so fast it's hard to keep up.

This below is worrying, "independent" pffft, as if your own doctor is somehow what? biased, it's ridiculous. So far there is talk of only including people under a certain age 30-35, for now. Remember that if your injured in a car, injured at work or get ill, you too might need to go on the DSP. They have done a similar think in the UK with devastating consequences.

and this is the 2nd time recently where the Govt has referred to work as welfare???? So when you go to work tomorrow (or tuesday), just remember that's welfare.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-20/disability-pensioners-may-be-reassessed-kevin-andrews/5400598

Independent doctors could be called in to reassess disability pensioners, Federal Government says

The Federal Government is considering using independent doctors to examine disability pensioners and assess whether they should continue to receive payments.

Currently family doctors provide reports supporting claims for the Disability Support Pension (DSP).

But Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews is considering a measure that would see independent doctors reassess eligibility.

"We are concerned that where people can work, the best form of welfare is work," Mr Andrews said at a press conference.

[debra9275]

BarnabyY Joyce's excuse for bullying the daughter is

A spokesman for Mr Joyce said the letter to a member of the Rinehart family, sent when he was a Queensland senator in September 2011

so in 2011 he was a qld senator and he used an official govt. email in his correspondence with the daughter  (nothing to do with eiither the Gillard or Rudd govts.... FACT)

[monman12]

"Without thought? . Says you lol in your haste to defend any liberal govt minister for absolutely anything they do"

I am not  defending Joe rather highlighting again a post that on cursory examination is without foundation, but chosen (sans thought) to support a political bias.. A little like the Kohler C&P and the recent nonsensical figures within the Tingle C&P aprops pensions.

What exactly did Joe "do"   He bought a house privately for a market price. The monies mentioned were entirely within reason for Canberra, and the seller allegedly wanted to avoid the usual external professional costs.

Common sense

[debra9275]

sure--- anyway back to the real world

[debra9275]

can you please explain to me then how Barnaby Joyce intimidating a person has anything to do with the Gillard or Rudd govt?? and why you would even mention them in a matter that has absolutely nothing to do with them

just that it seems kind of silly 

are you attempting to deflect some blame onto them?

why?

[debra9275]

this morning we have all these articles on leaks in the Fed cabinet aboiut the revoking of citizenship. Abbott first tells the murdoch press what he his going to pass before he even discussess it with his own minisiters? who does this guy work for? Murdoch or us??

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-rolled-by-his-own-ministers-over-stripping-terrorists-of-c...

The matter was not listed on the cabinet agenda. There was no cabinet submission. There was no written proposal of any kind in front of the ministers.

Abbott brought up the subject only at the end of a cabinet meeting on other business, then asked Dutton to speak on it. It emerged during debate that there was a discussion paper on the subject, and Brandis volunteered that hehad seen a copy and had been debating the idea with Abbott in the inner sanctum of cabinet's National Security Committee.

It was at this point in a tense and difficult debate that Bishop stunned the meeting with a further revelation: "I haven't seen a discussion paper."

The ministers around the table instantly understood. The Prime Minister had tried to ambush his cabinet. 

Bishop is the deputy leader of the Liberal Party, the Foreign Affairs Minister, the minister with oversight of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service, a member of the National Security Committee of cabinet and a central figure in  Australia's effort to defeat the terrorists of the so-called Islamic State.

The depth of mistrust between the Liberal leader and his deputy was starkly exposed. 

Abbott told the meeting that, if ministers wanted to see it, he could have his office send around copies of the discussion paper. "We had been attempted to be duped," said a cabinet member speaking after the meeting.    

Turnbull was incensed: "Here we go again," he told his Prime Minister in the meeting. "Talking about something as momentous as this and there is nothing in front of us. There's a discussion paper that only a few of us have seen. This is a shambles."

Turnbull asked Abbott directly if the Daily Telegraph had been briefed on the proposal for the next morning's paper, which would have meant the cabinet meeting had been pre-empted by the Prime Minister's press office. The Telegraph is a favoured Abbott outlet for signalling his moves in advance.

It had not, replied Abbott. 

Yet the next morning the Telegraph carried a report saying that the proposal would be "included in the bill" that had been approved by the cabinet the night before. Oops. 

The day after the meeting, Abbott told the media that the proposal was in a discussion paper, and not in the bill that he would be asking Parliament to pass. 

[debra9275]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/no-security-in-staying-silent/story-fnpp4dl6-1227375147139

FORGET all that stuff about Tony Abbott changing his autocratic ways and restoring proper Cabinet processes following the leadership scare early in the year. On Monday Cabinet considered a radical anti-terrorism proposal to give the Immigration Minister power to strip Australians of their citizenship.

What Abbott and Immigration Minister Peter Dutton had in mind became apparent to a number of those in the Cabinet room almost by accident, when Brandis referred to a discussion paper on citizenship prepared for release the following day.

It seems Brandis was one of only three ministers who had seen the discussion paper in advance. The others were Abbott and Dutton (above).

And Brandis had obviously been brought into the loop very late, because he took issue with a section of the document.

It was then that alarm bells rang for some of his colleagues around the Cabinet table; the paper was distributed and a rebellion ensued. Six members of Cabinet lambasted the extraordinary measure.

Lack of respect for proper process was further demonstrated by a newspaper report next morning saying Cabinet had approved the proposal.

Someone close to Abbott had been so confident of the outcome that the expected result was leaked in advance of the meeting.

(Murdoch press covering themselves by saying "someone" leaked)

[debra9275]

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/29/citizenship-debacle-over-terrorism-is-leak-bas...

Debacle over terrorism and citizenship is leak-based policy in its purest form

A handy way to distinguish a government announcement inspired more by politics than its actual policy outcome is when the prime minister’s office briefs (some) newspapers about it before it has been considered by the cabinet.

On 21 May, the Australian reported that “second-generation Australians involved in terrorism face being stripped of their citizenship, along with dual nationals, as part of the Abbott government’s efforts to tighten national security laws”.

The Daily Telegraph has also reported this imminent development many times, and on Tuesday it informed its readers that the government would that day announce a new citizenship bill that included “controversial measures based on the UK model to also strip nationality from Australians who hold sole Australian citizenship, but only if they have legal access to citizenship of another country”.

Only problem was, the body charged with making government policy – the cabinet – had not approved the policy yet, and on Monday night – presumably after the paper had received its briefing – at least six cabinet ministers refused to support the idea that Australia would strip citizenship from second generation Australians.

[icyfroth]

Your'e doing a good job, there, Deb, keeping up the side.

[debra9275]

allmost as good as you--- hope you've been reading the papers and keeping up with what's going on in our world

stuff happens

[debra9275]

so  abbott just expected his cabinet to sign off on it and pass it without any information or disscussion and it appears that they are not happy - he even denied his leaks to the Telegraph to Turnbull