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4channel · ‎23-11-2020

Some issues when discussed can cause a range of reactions. Sometimes they can lead to an awakening, the beginning of a journey to discovering something new, or they can can cause a certain type of reaction in a person who may not like what they hear. I think that it's all about how we choose to deal with the info we're hearing and how we process it.

Take the issues of let's say .... fluoride and mobile phone tower radiation. The government has allowed the fluoridation of our water and they have allowed the construction of mobile phone towers in residential areas. Does that mean the water is safe to drink and it causes no ill affect? Does that mean that the mobile phone towers are safe? What about the handsets. Are they safe for children to use and hold against their heads?

Well, we discuss these things and some people do react angrily to the people discussing these issues. Does this mean that we have to stop discussion that challenges the supposed official stance or challenges what we are told is the mainstream belief? Do we have to self-censor or have this in a [private group? I have noticed that in discussion forums or the media that racist beliefs are a;allowed a platform and yet issues that many folk feel that need to be addressed because of health concerns are not given the same platform. To me racism is abhorrent and yet in the media, it gets the pass ticket while issues that some call important to health freedom do not! Why is that? Could it be political? What are your thoughts?

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This is a discussion that some people here would be interested in while others may not be. Folks with opposing views are welcome as always. Please, if someone has an issue with these topics being discussed or another member, could they refrain from any attacks on others or deliberately flooding this thread with off topic filler.

bright.ton42 · ‎19-01-2021

Naughty. You are not ceasing and desisting.

4channel · ‎19-01-2021

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@4channel wrote:

Why is it that some topics attract a certain type of behaviour from certain people? Personally I think it's better to be respectful of what other people want to discuss unless it's offensive to people of certain races, religions etc... You know what I am talking about!

I know that some people have a dislike of people who engage in critical thinking and discuss topics such as health issues that many feel are not adequately addressed by the government. The issues of health sovereignty, health freedom can attract certain types of remarks and behaviour from a minority of people when discussed. Often they are negative or harassing when they appear in the discussion area.

IMO and no doubt others, a person having reached adulthood and then into middle age and beyond should at least have learnt a few things in life. One of them at the very very least should be .... "Hmm, OK, so that's what they believe. I think it's nonsense, but OK, that's their bag". I believe many others would have the type of thinking where they think .... "Hmm, OK, so that's what they believe. OK, that's their bag but I respect their right to have that stance".

Re: Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances
in reply to 4channel

@icyfroth wrote:

Go easy on them, 4channel. it's probably the only fun they get all day.

Sad, really.

Yes, you're 100% right.

Now speaking in general: What's sad is that people should be able to discuss issues that relate to health and well being without attack or ridicule. One of the achievements that we have made in this so-called civilized Western society of ours is to respect others for their beliefs and if we are invited into the conversation then tell them in a respectful and mature way why we don't agree.

Looking back to last year, I posted on your thread below. This discussion actually reminded me of that.

"What Doctors Don't Tell You"
on 28-‎04-2020 06:10 PM

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/quot-What-Doctors-Don-t-Tell-You-quot/td-p/2315761...

Well, I wasn't really aware of this What Doctors Don't Tell You magazine. I decided to go out and buy a copy to see if the claims by Ben Fordham, the guy who instigated the removal of the mag from WW and Coles shelves were true. Well, what he said and what was in that particular issue were quite different. The picture he painted was not accurate at all. It was IMO a big distortion!

From what I have seen, he is not a man who supports discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances. His outrage or whatever you want to call it has impacted on the right of thousands of people to access information. That's not good as I saw some very useful information in that magazine.

Imagine if we lived in a city or state where we were only one car dealer and auto mechanic were promoted and discussion about alternatives was outlawed. It wouldn't be such a bad thing in the minds of some and there would be some folks who would support such a thing. But would it be in our best interests?

In depth discussion about the Natural Health industry and services is better left for another thread. I'll just say that I have seen evidence of both positive and life saving benefits. You know, I like to listen to people who are not afraid to engage in discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances. I find it refreshing.

lalbo-81 · ‎20-01-2021

@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

NWFTTTSU = Now Waiting For The Troublemakers To Show Up?

OH! So he actually WANTS to be disagreed with, and is asking for people to do so! Well, that makes me sad, that he needs attention that badly. Wanting negative attention isn't healthy.

myoclon1cjerk · ‎25-01-2021

Dear oh dear. Look where we're headed. Sad it is. 😞

https://youtu.be/70FSuEmFk4M

4channel · ‎26-01-2021

Once the ABC was an antidote to the counterfeit conservatism promoting wealthy elite serving other channels. Seems now it is selective about what kind of Discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances it engages in.

As far as that clip is concerned, I haven't watched it yet. But if promotes or mocks some aspect of the thinking that is required to address the issues we deal with then maybe it is a notch on a barometer.

the_great_she_elephant · ‎29-01-2021

Western Australia’s Liberal leader has been forced to defend the party’s election campaign after a candidate linked the COVID-19 pandemic to 5G technology.

Former youth pastor Andrea Tokaji was forced to quit as the Liberal candidate for Baldivis after it emerged she had promoted the conspiracy theory in an article on a conservative Christian news website.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-state-election-liberals-candidate-andrea...

4channel · ‎29-01-2021

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Western Australia’s Liberal leader has been forced to defend the party’s election campaign after a candidate linked the COVID-19 pandemic to 5G technology.
Former youth pastor Andrea Tokaji was forced to quit as the Liberal candidate for Baldivis after it emerged she had promoted the conspiracy theory in an article on a conservative Christian news website.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-state-election-liberals-candidate-andrea...

While 5G is a major health concern just as any mobile phone technology is. Scientists, medical professionals and telecommunications people have spoken about the link between this technology and cancer. Sadly we live in an age where many a man or woman will bend in sympathy with an agenda when tempted by the mighty $$$$$$-DOLLAR-$$$$$$. It is greed that drives mega corporations to pursue a profit at any cost without considering or even caring about the consequences.. And it is greed that makes a man forget that he is a man and he becomes a stooge with no morals when the mighty $$$$$$-DOLLAR-$$$$$$. is waved in his face.

So if Andrea has made the claims that there's a connection between 5G and Covid 19, I'd like to see it in its full context to see exactly what she was saying.

The mainstream media loves to pump up the idea that anti 5G protesters believe 5G causes Covid 19. From the reading up and asking questions and watching interviews on line, I can say that hardly anyone believes this. From what I know, 5G, like any radiation emitting technology can stress human bodies and weaken the immune system. Overwork, stress and exposure to EMF high voltage, chemicals can do similar.

If by chance Andrea actually believes that 5G causes Covid 19, then she is entitled to that silly belief. Most people who are against the Covid 19 vaccination and protest against 5G and other health-related concerns would just dismiss her as someone who believes nonsense. Anyway, let's see what she actually said.

BTW: The origins of Covid 19 are still being considered. And on an official level, one of them is that it may have started in a lab in China.

katistrophik · ‎29-01-2021

I remember that being the first 'suspected cause' early on in the issue of the virus, lab in Wuhan.

Since then all sorts have been discussed, thinking this is something that will never be confirmed [espeially by China]

4channel · ‎29-01-2021

@katistrophik wrote:
I remember that being the first 'suspected cause' early on in the issue of the virus, lab in Wuhan.

Since then all sorts have been discussed, thinking this is something that will never be confirmed [espeially by China]

China would be on the list of suspects in this game. I hope that it is not a case of them let loose the virus and watch our stupidity take care of the rest. Who knows. But along the way there are many people who are exploting a situation fot their own gain.

4channel · ‎06-03-2021

@icyfroth wrote:

If flouride is a known toxin, why is it being added to our drinking water, even in small amounts?

True icyfroth. But even if it wasn't a toxin, shouldn't the people be asked go give their permission before being chemically treated?

NOTE: Chlorine is added to water to treat the water. Fluoride is added to the water to treat the people. Forced medication?

Respect or disrespect?

Posted on February 23, 2021 by Wilmington News Journal

Fluoride to be added to City of Wilmington water this week

WILMINGTON — The City of Wilmington will begin adding fluoride to its drinking water on Thursday, Feb. 25. It will take about three days for fluoridated water to reach all customers.

Fluoride has been added to drinking water across the country for decades as an aid in preventing tooth decay. Only about 20 communities in Ohio don’t fluoridate drinking water, the city stated in a news release Tuesday.

Average fluoride levels in the water will be kept between 0.8 and 1.3 parts per million as required by state law and Ohio Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations.

Operators at the water treatment plant have been certified by Ohio EPA to conduct fluoride tests on the water. Such tests will be completed every few hours to ensure the proper fluoride level is in the water. Other equipment was also installed at the plant to help operators monitor for a consistent fluoride feed.
Discussion about adding fluoride to Wilmington’s water began in 2015.

After much debate, City Council decided to place a non-binding referendum on the November 2016 ballot. City voters approved fluoridation 56.7 percent to 43.3 percent. In early 2017, City Council approved the implementation of fluoridation.

A 2017 feasibility study confirmed that fluoridation was viable and affordable. As that study was being wrapped up, a significant harmful algal bloom occurred in Caesar Creek Lake. That event led to a review of the entire treatment operation.

Fluoridation became part of a larger project at the treatment plant, which is nearing completion now.

The city received an Ohio Department of Health grant of $86,417.17 — plus an interest-free loan from Ohio EPA — to support implementation of fluoridation.

More information on fluoridation of drinking water can be found at the Centers for Disease Control website http://bit.ly/3urs1np .

https://www.wnewsj.com/news/159920/fluoride-to-be-added-to-city-of-wilmington-water-this-week

The word on many of these debates is that they are not only stacked but the are designed to follow a greater agenda. If so, why not call it for what it really is. A bloody dictaatorship!