Do you think that there will be a civil war in Ukraine?

I see what I see and I hear what I hear on the TV.....but how serious is this all really?

 

Is it deliberately being peddaled to us that it is a bad state of affairs?

 

.....or is this really, really serious stuff......comments please.

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Its a known fact that Russia is home to the most billionaires and they did not become billionaires by selling odds to punters from ricketty bookies stands as to whether the borders and citizenship papers would be changed and to what and when !! sorry sheheffalump.

 

The economic situation in Russia is same as everywhere on this globe - controlled by corporations and banksters.


I'm sorry paints, but I don't quite understand what point you are making. My post was about the Ukraniane citizens  actually engaged in the unrest in Ukraine

Are you saying that the Russian millionares make their money from supplying guns to the dissidents?

Are you saying they are paying the pro Russian disssidents to rebel against the Ukranian Governmnt?

Are you saying they are paying and/ or arming the dissidents because tthey (the millionaires) make their money from the Crimea and therefore it is in their interest that it should become a part of Russia?

Or are you saying the dissidents believe if they become part of Russia they too will become miliionaires?

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I think that the real emphasis of 'borders' and 'ownership' of the Ukraine/Crimea and who is within these borders is really about access to resources within these borders and has got almost squiddly dot to do with the allegiance of the Ukranian citizens within. The power mongers with the most to lose are only interested in the $'s behind these resources .....they are engineering events by whatever measures they can to get their desired outcome. This Players list would no doubt have names that are Ukranian, Russian, American, Chinese, Saudi, British, French......and many more. Instead of letters after their names they would have a monetary figure after their names...... and behind this media pumped facade being projected - all be 'friends' ! 

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@paintsew007 wrote:

I think that the real emphasis of 'borders' and 'ownership' of the Ukraine/Crimea and who is within these borders is really about access to resources within these borders and has got almost squiddly dot to do with the allegiance of the Ukranian citizens within. The power mongers with the most to lose are only interested in the $'s behind these resources .....they are engineering events by whatever measures they can to get their desired outcome. This Players list would no doubt have names that are Ukranian, Russian, American, Chinese, Saudi, British, French......and many more. Instead of letters after their names they would have a monetary figure after their names...... and behind this media pumped facade being projected - all be 'friends' ! 


Or in other words, a global conspiracy of millionaires to get their hands on Crimea's resources.

 

Crimea accounts for three percent of Ukraine's gross domestic product, with 60 percent of its own output made up by services. The land is intensely farmed, with wheat, corn and sunflowers the main crops. Extra water supplies are brought by canal from Ukraine's Dnieper River.

There are chemical processing plants and iron ore is mined in Kerch. Ukraine has two grain terminals in Crimea - in Kerch and in Sevastopol. According to UkrAgroConsult, these have exported 1.6 million tons of grain so far this season or 6.6 percent of Ukraine's total exports. 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577286

 


Given that Ukraine is not a rich country anyway, I doubt that the wealth of the Crimea would provide very rich pickings for a global consortium of conspiritors.

Russias main interest in that region is in access to the Black Sea for their fleet - they are afraid a pro western Ukrainian Government may curtail that access and the US have an interest in limiting Russian influence in the area. 

 

 

 

 

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Why do you insist on declaring that all my opinions on most threads are conspiracy based?

That's a bit like me saying that you are excused for all your opinions because you eat ground unicorn horn on your weeties for breakfast.

 

The port issue is an obvious one and does not need explaining at all.

Resources and access to through ownership within borders is a major issue. e.g. uranium......

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.....makes your statement that the Ukraine/Crimea is a poor country, pretty lame.

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Why do you also persist in isolating Crimea as the target for discussion?

U-kraine.

 

http://www.globalshift.co.uk/ukra.html

The territory of Ukraine was held by many different empires up until 1917 when the Ukrainian People's Republic was established but in 1922 this was forced to become a founding member of the Soviet Union. It returned to independence in 1991. There have been repeated conflicts with Russia over tariffs on gas pipelines that cross the country.
Ukraine began producing oil from fields in the Crimea in 1864 but the bulk of the country’s production has come from the Carpathians region, after it took over lands from Poland in
WW2, and from the Dnieper-Donetz rifted basin in the centre of the country. Numerous gas fields are present in the same regions, used since 1940.
Production fell sharply during the 1970s. The producing areas were old and investment all but ceased after the break-up of the Soviet Union. However, since the 1990s new investment has stemmed decline. Offshore production, especially of gas in the Black Sea off Crimea is also expected to expand in shallow and deep waters and shale gas may also be present.
 
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Losing Crimea Could Sink Ukraine's Offshore Oil and Gas Hopes

Without Crimea, Ukraine looks set to lose an important piece of its economic and energy future: valuable undersea oil and gas fields that lie just offshore the Crimean peninsula. Exploiting those Black Sea fields could help reduce Ukraine’s dependence on Russian gas imports.

 

........maybe Crimea is the all important issue afterall.

 

And Big Oil had been interested: Before the overthrow of former President Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine was on the verge of signing a deal with a group, including Exxon Mobil (XOM) and Royal Dutch Shell (RDS.B), that was prepared to spend $735 million to drill two wells off Crimea’s southwest coast. “Exxon and Shell are now in a legal limbo,” Chris Weafer of Moscow investment group Macro Advisory told Bloomberg News. If Crimea votes in a March 16 referendum to secede from Ukraine, the government in Kiev “may soon no longer have jurisdiction over the region.”

The so-called Skifska area that Exxon and Shell want to develop is part of an undersea field that extends westward along the Black Sea coastline to Romania. Within the area now under Ukrainian jurisdiction, however, “the most interesting exploration areas are all effectively [under] Crimean waters,” says Julian Lee, an analyst at the Center for Global Energy Studies in London. Losing control of those areas “would be a significant loss for Ukraine.”

Ukraine has estimated that oil and gas production from Skifska, along with another Crimean offshore area known as Foros, could reach the energy equivalent of up to 7 million tons of oil annually. That’s less than 10 percent of the oil and gas Norway extracts annually from beneath the North Sea. Still, it totals about 20 percent of Ukraine’s current annual gas imports, which come mainly from Russia and have been a longstanding source of friction between the two countries.

Rather than seceding, voters in the March 16 referendum are being offered the option of remaining in Ukraine while increasing Crimea’s autonomy. Even that outcome would probably deter investment in the Black Sea fields. “Nobody’s going to put people at risk, nobody’s going to invest in drilling or any other kind of exploration if they don’t have certainty that their contracts will remain valid,” Lee says.

The oil companies, for now, are lying low. Executives at Exxon Mobil say they remain interested in exploring the area and will not take sides in the dispute........

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Why do you insist on declaring that all my opinions on most threads are conspiracy based?

 

 

In this particular case because you  have stated very clearly that in your opinion: "The power mongers with the most to lose are only interested in the $'s behind these resources .....they are engineering events by whatever measures they can to get their desired outcome. This Players list would no doubt have names that are Ukranian, Russian, American, Chinese, Saudi, British, French......and many more." 

 

If that were really  the case, would it not constitute a Global Conspiracy?

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