Don't say you wern't warned!

[davidc4430]

NSW fires see more than 850,000 hectares destroyed so far in season 'as bad as it gets'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-11/nsw-bushfires-850000-hectares-destroyed-worst-to-come/1169103...

many years ago after a monumentally bad fire a inquiry was formed to see what our leaders should do in order to be better prepared if the same situation should happen again.

like the puchasing of the canadian super tanker fire fighting planes.

of couse they were expensive but if each state was to purchase 1 then come a day like we are predicting now these planes would all be available to be deployed as a mega fire fighting group.

but no, we were told we dont need them, we can do better with out them.

and anyway, these big fires dont happen very often.

well well well, looks to me like the eastern states are in for fires, big fires, nearly every year!

i just heard on radio where if your considered in a fire prone area (thats just about everyone these days) you can forget insurance cover.

oh, and done mention 'climate change' to the govt, its still a load of you know what to scomo and co.

[myoclon1cjerk]

https://youtu.be/Q1I4n6vPCZ0

[*kazumi*]

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@johcaschro wrote:

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People living in wooden houses in forests in Australia are a direct cause of everybody else's fire insurance premiums rising when the ins. companies want their money back after the unescapable eventual bushfire burnout.

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Actually, you are wrong.  Many weatherboard houses survive, while bricks explode, and I have seen number of bluestone houses burned down.  I lived in Emerald, VIC, during the Ash Wednesday fires, and I have seen little weatherboard house, with paint all bubbled and singed, but standing, while the houses on both sides were just reduced to heap of bricks. 
 

[chameleon54]

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@johcaschro wrote:

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People living in wooden houses in forests in Australia are a direct cause of everybody else's fire insurance premiums rising when the ins. companies want their money back after the unescapable eventual bushfire burnout.

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Actually, you are wrong.  Many weatherboard houses survive, while bricks explode, and I have seen number of bluestone houses burned down.  I lived in Emerald, VIC, during the Ash Wednesday fires, and I have seen little weatherboard house, with paint all bubbled and singed, but standing, while the houses on both sides were just reduced to heap of bricks. 
 

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Couldnt comment on the wooden houses thing as I simply dont know, but I did see a bloke on telly in front of what was once his besser brick house. Apparently the fire was so intense the bricks simply exploded from the difference in temperature and pressure of the air cavity inside the besser block. Amazing stuff.

[myoclon1cjerk]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/01/13/pauline-hanson-today-bushfires/

[springyzone]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@johcaschro wrote:

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People living in wooden houses in forests in Australia are a direct cause of everybody else's fire insurance premiums rising when the ins. companies want their money back after the unescapable eventual bushfire burnout.

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Actually, you are wrong.  Many weatherboard houses survive, while bricks explode, and I have seen number of bluestone houses burned down.  I lived in Emerald, VIC, during the Ash Wednesday fires, and I have seen little weatherboard house, with paint all bubbled and singed, but standing, while the houses on both sides were just reduced to heap of bricks. 
 

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Couldnt comment on the wooden houses thing as I simply dont know, but I did see a bloke on telly in front of what was once his besser brick house. Apparently the fire was so intense the bricks simply exploded from the difference in temperature and pressure of the air cavity inside the besser block. Amazing stuff.

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I wouldn't know about fires/building materials either but would guess it could depend on how fierce the fire is and if the house is in the direct path. Probably none of them are safe in some circumstances.

Back in 2009, one of our nephews lost his house. It was in Kinglake and it was mud brick. Luckily, he and his wife packed up and left about half an hour before the fires went through but later on, after the fires, when they returned, the mud bricks had been burnt right to the ground. Nothing left.

[domino-710]

Stringy - probably because mud bricks contain straw etc. 

Highly flammable.

[go-tazz]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@*kazumi* wrote:

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@johcaschro wrote:

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People living in wooden houses in forests in Australia are a direct cause of everybody else's fire insurance premiums rising when the ins. companies want their money back after the unescapable eventual bushfire burnout.

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Actually, you are wrong.  Many weatherboard houses survive, while bricks explode, and I have seen number of bluestone houses burned down.  I lived in Emerald, VIC, during the Ash Wednesday fires, and I have seen little weatherboard house, with paint all bubbled and singed, but standing, while the houses on both sides were just reduced to heap of bricks.

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Couldnt comment on the wooden houses thing as I simply dont know, but I did see a bloke on telly in front of what was once his besser brick house. Apparently the fire was so intense the bricks simply exploded from the difference in temperature and pressure of the air cavity inside the besser block. Amazing stuff.

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Doesn't matter what your house is made of as a lot are burnt in a bushfire from the inside out as embers get in

and under eaves and porches and will attack the inside of the roof or the floorboards.

One theory I've always had after seeing embers hit and "climb" up a wall with little reduction in size is that it's

easier if the surface is flat and maybe with a weather board home they get reduced in size as they get knocked

against the angled bit the same as hitting the porch over hang.

Also porches should be made of a concrete base and steel for the rest as that's where a fire can take hold and

then spread especially if the heat blows out a window.

Those embers are what can get in under the roof as well as direct attacks that land in gutters.

A cover over the gutters that's fire proof would/should prevent that and possibly save houses.

Most parts of the houses that are flammable are on the inside and maybe looking at their construction and

incorporating non flammable materials such as steel on a concrete base could be a much better/safer option.

[davidc4430]

Ms Hanson said the effects of climate change should play no part in the government’s proposed royal commission into the bushfire crisis.

“If you are going to have a royal commission into [bushfires], throw bloody climate change out of the window and let’s look at the pure facts of why we have had the bushfires,” the Queensland Senator said.

and while your at it dont be bringing in any 'so called experts' who have been in the fire fighting industry all their working lives, or scientists or anyone who might say those nasty words 'climate change'

let just have a nice inquiry with people like ms hanson whos fire fighting experince is a burnt chip.

that way we will get the right answers!

[davidc4430]

i have watched videos made by fire departments showing homes (created for the demonstration) exploding into fire just becaise the temp got so high it caused combustion when there was no actual fire.

i read one home owner in the fires just a week ago i think say they witnessed their homes windows explode out from the internal heat build up before the fire reached the house.

they were on the other side to the oncomming fire front getting into cars to get out when suddenly boom, windows just blew out!

[go-tazz]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i have watched videos made by fire departments showing homes (created for the demonstration) exploding into fire just becaise the temp got so high it caused combustion when there was no actual fire.

i read one home owner in the fires just a week ago i think say they witnessed their homes windows explode out from the internal heat build up before the fire reached the house.

they were on the other side to the oncomming fire front getting into cars to get out when suddenly boom, windows just blew out!

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There are a number of ways that a house can be destroyed in a bushfire and that's why I only posted about ember attacks which destroy homes..