Eden-Monaro by-election

Eden-Monaro by-election results show narrow lead for Labor as Nationals concede

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-04/eden-monaro-by-election-results-for-labor-and-liberal-candida...

 

leys makes a point but its countered by the point the libs do the same thing when it suits them

so dont come the 'we are pure while your the bad eggs' when both parties play the same tactics

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I think voters have see the blatant corruption and mismanagement of the present federal government and assumed that they would be 'punished' if they voted Labor.  As they are still waiting for the financial assistance for the fires that they were promised months ago, it is not an unreasonable assumption.  Now that Labor have won the seat I wonder when/if the money will appear. 

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This by election has been touted for months as a litmus test on voter reaction to the bungled bushfire crisis. I think most people ( including me ) agree it got away from the LNP badly and their reactions where too little, too late. 

 

The important positive thing to come out of it was that the government learned from those mistakes and have been world leaders in handling the CORONA virus crisis. I suspect while voters may not have entirely forgiven the LNP for the bushfires mess, most thinking voters at least respect the fact that they learned some hard lessons and did much better next time they where tested. 

 

Voters crave stability and a government with experience, even if that experience is gained by making obvious mistakes.


Perhaps one of the lessons they learnt (though probably purely for self-preservation) was to listen to others

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-week-is-a-long-time-in-politics-of-covid-19-20200417-p54kwz.html

 

Eight days after that came package number three, the one with the JobKeeper payment of $1500 a fortnight. That totalled $130 billion. Package number three represented a volte face by the PM, who had flatly rejected a program that would involve wage substitution payments along the lines of a policy announced by Boris Johnson’s Conservative government in the United Kingdom.

 

The ALP and the ACTU had been calling for that sort of program and Morrison had scoffed at it as unworkable and unnecessary – until business groups joined the labour movement’s chorus and he folded.

 

 

 

 

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@cezm wrote:

@chameleon54 wrote:

This by election has been touted for months as a litmus test on voter reaction to the bungled bushfire crisis. I think most people ( including me ) agree it got away from the LNP badly and their reactions where too little, too late. 

 

The important positive thing to come out of it was that the government learned from those mistakes and have been world leaders in handling the CORONA virus crisis. I suspect while voters may not have entirely forgiven the LNP for the bushfires mess, most thinking voters at least respect the fact that they learned some hard lessons and did much better next time they where tested. 

 

Voters crave stability and a government with experience, even if that experience is gained by making obvious mistakes.


Perhaps one of the lessons they learnt (though probably purely for self-preservation) was to listen to others

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-week-is-a-long-time-in-politics-of-covid-19-20200417-p54kwz.html

 

Eight days after that came package number three, the one with the JobKeeper payment of $1500 a fortnight. That totalled $130 billion. Package number three represented a volte face by the PM, who had flatly rejected a program that would involve wage substitution payments along the lines of a policy announced by Boris Johnson’s Conservative government in the United Kingdom.

 

The ALP and the ACTU had been calling for that sort of program and Morrison had scoffed at it as unworkable and unnecessary – until business groups joined the labour movement’s chorus and he folded.

 

 

 

 



I agree with your basic premise, but you are missing the most important point. Governments are no different to voters. You will get the voter who simply continues to vote for the same party come he!! or high water, simply because that is their team that they have always supported, just like a footy team. These voters are usually not the sharpest tools in the box.

 

The more intelligent, thinking voter is willing to change their vote, based on who they think has the most appropriate policies for the given circumstances. These swinging voters are the ones who usually decide who will actually form government. They make their vote count.

 

Likewise an intelligent, smart government wont doggedly stick to unsuitable policy, just because its their traditional platform or their supporters expect / demand it. When the chips are really down ( as they are now with COVID 19 ) the very best governments will be willing to drop their traditional platform and just do what needs to be done, regardless of whether it meets their traditional policy platform or not.

 

Sure they might go back to traditional policies once the crisis has passed, but I see a willingness to change ones mind and adapt to urgent circumstances as a major strength rather than a weakness.

 

This government has shown the strength to turn their back on their traditional policies and just get the job done. I suspect this was reflected in the by election result where the Liberals increased their first preference vote while Labor went backwards.

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I find it hard to listen to anyone that uses the word premise in their posts,

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It's hardly chamo's fault that you are unlettered.

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@hannahmallory wrote:

I find it hard to listen to anyone that uses the word premise in their posts,


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Its not just the Liberals that have adopted policies and practices that in normal times would be unheard of. I,m usually a regular critic of some of the extremes of the trade union movement, but to their credit, they have also buried the hatchet to work co-cooperatively and constructively with SCOMO and the LNP. While there has been some ducking and diving, even the normally highly parochial State leaders from different political persuasions have generally toned down some of the rhetoric and shown a level of co-operation and cross border support not normally seen.

 

Its unfortunate that it takes a national crisis to bring our leaders together, but they all deserve some respect and congratulations for their handling of the COVID 19 crisis over the past few months. 

 

Now lets see where we go from here...............

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ALP + Shooter & Fishers  

 

> or <  than

 

L(+)NP + Palmer + PHON 

 

???

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@chameleon54 wrote:

@ambercat16 wrote:

I'm not so sure that Albo's perceived deficiencies are to blame.  I wonder if the people in the electorate were swayed by their desperate need for the money promised by the Coalition after the bush fires which has not yet eventuated.  Could they have worried that if they voted Labor they would never see that money? Why wasn't the money available months ago when it was promised?


Any reasonable person would see that as a giant zero for the LNP rather than a big tick.

 

Despite the bushfire mess, the LNP increased its standing in the electorate and Labor under Albo's constant campaigning in the seat lost a lot of ground. You can make all of the weak excuses you like, but the facts are clear. Labor has not made the changes necessary after its shock federal election loss and despite all of the LNP bushfire failings, the voters still prefer SCOMO and the LNP to Albo and the ALP.

 

The ALP wont be able to rely on the shooters and fishers preferences to get them over the line at a national level, so they need to make some drastic changes now while there is still time if they want to have any chance at the next Federal election. The first change needs to be to get rid of Albo and install a leader with the skills and support to lead Labor out of their wandering wilderness. 

Shoud not this read:

"The first change needs to be to get rid of (insert) Current Leader and install a leader with the skills and support to lead Labor out of their wandering wilderness". 

 

This was a By-election and you usually can read into it what you like (yours always predictable). 

 

In 2002 there was a by-election where Steven Smith(ALP) resigned  the seat of Cunningham.The result of the By-election gave the seat to the Green Candidate( Michael Organ). Both the Greens and the Liberal Party were whooping it up as the end of the ALP control in the Wollongong area. BUT at the next election the ALP won the seat back easily and everthing went back to the normal . This probable will be the same, although it will still retain its closeness no matter who is leading either party, mainly due to the areas it covers ( coastal to rural)

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