on โ12-03-2013 06:49 PM
Can we vote for Julia ? she seems to think she is G almighty.
on โ15-03-2013 09:09 AM
It will come as no surprise to you Gods that I disagree with you. I can clearly see the Church's justification for celibacy of the clergy:
I can see the justification, but I can also see the other side/s. Often priests hear confession, or just talk to parishioners about their problems, including things like infidelity of spouses, domestic abuse, problems with children, marriage breakdowns, separation, divorce, remarrying. I've always felt it must be difficult to provide advice with no actual knowledge of what it is like to be married or be a father. It also means that they don't (often) understand the problems of women in the workforce, or women and politics ... I think being able to marry would open up a whole new dimension for priests.
It would also "normalise" their lives. Except for a few people, I don't believe celibacy is healthy.
I've read a bit about how heterosexuals act in prison ... is there a possibility that priests are attracted to boys because it is MORE FORBIDDEN to engage with women? Some Australian Catholic priest said something along those lines recently.
Having grown up in the UK as a Catholic, I found that the CoE vicars seemed to be a bit more "human" ... spending a life being celibate must take a lot of concentration ...
on โ15-03-2013 09:10 AM
Rabbit, of course it is sacrilege.... and they know that, they are deceitful.
on โ15-03-2013 09:10 AM
Eve .... "After Baptism. So what happens before then? For the first 30 yrs of their lives?"
Baptism doesn't have to wait for 30 years and you know it;-). An adult is a person capable of making HIS/HER own decision as to what Church / Organisation they wish to belong to / BE BAPTISED INTO .... A BABY IS NOT.
on โ15-03-2013 09:12 AM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Celibacy_in_Buddhism
Sounds sensible to me.
on โ15-03-2013 09:13 AM
is there a possibility that priests are attracted to boys because it is MORE FORBIDDEN to engage with women?
Really??? NO it is not less forbidden to molest children.
and G and M...... from birth?? no, I was not taught about gays from birth, nor were my brothers, in fact I had no idea until I was an adult that homosexuality existed.
on โ15-03-2013 09:16 AM
I can see the justification, but I can also see the other side/s. Often priests hear confession, or just talk to parishioners about their problems, including things like infidelity of spouses, domestic abuse, problems with children, marriage breakdowns, separation, divorce, remarrying. I've always felt it must be difficult to provide advice with no actual knowledge of what it is like to be married or be a father. It also means that they don't (often) understand the problems of women in the workforce, or women and politics ... I think being able to marry would open up a whole new dimension for priests.
So, psychologists etc can't give this advice either if they have not experienced it? Priests have these qualifications too, you know.
on โ15-03-2013 09:19 AM
Rabbit, of course it is sacrilege.... and they know that, they are deceitful.
and, so do their superiors ... the ones that have for hundreds of years, swept it under the carpet. As some have said on here ... the typical reaction has been .. to keep it secret and move the offender to another area ... so they won't do it again ?:|
The CORRECT thing to do would have been REPORT offender to Police / INSTANT DISMISSAL and publication that this action has been taken to ALL Church members PLUS In the case of the Catholic Church - condemnation of offender to HELL.
on โ15-03-2013 09:30 AM
Sorry Rabbit :-x Yes, I did answer Gods briefly. Still not really up for Bible study discussion here but thats just me. You and Gods though, I dont see why you shouldnt, thats if the OP doesnt mind ;\
I agree with a lot of what Gods writes on this forum. I can see where both of you are coming from as well. Every religion/belief is based on something. I have never been one to say to someone "you have got it wrong" I can only explain the reasons for my beliefs.
on โ15-03-2013 09:33 AM
and, so do their superiors ... the ones that have for hundreds of years, swept it under the carpet. As some have said on here ... the typical reaction has been .. to keep it secret and move the offender to another area ... so they won't do it again ?:|
The CORRECT thing to do would have been REPORT offender to Police / INSTANT DISMISSAL and publication that this action has been taken to ALL Church members PLUS In the case of the Catholic Church - condemnation of offender to HELL.
No one with a conscience argues with that. It happens...... it happened in my diocese, the priest is no longer a priest. It was not a secret but... we have no power to send anyone to hell.
on โ15-03-2013 09:38 AM
Az, this is what I heard the other day ...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/child-sex-no-breach-of-virtue-some-priests-believe/story-e6frg6nf-1225859084751
Personally, I don't think it's acceptable to abuse or sexually abuse anyone ...