Electing a new Pope

[newstart2380]

Can we vote for Julia ? she seems to think she is G almighty.

[katydidthat]

Oh, didn't read that ... Must be a case of GMTI :^O

[katydidthat]

What other thread?  I couldn't find it on the front page ... 

[**meep**]

Sorry Katy, i have to run but it was about that  Italian priest burning the picture of the Pope thread, could be on page 2 by now..

BBL

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Read that ... that's the Catholic interpretation of The Bible - the reasons they give are their own interpretation - not the Bible's.

Neither Jesus, Paul or anyone else said " don't get married". It was NEVER a rule.

"(Mt 22:23–30). By remaining unmarried in this life, priests are more closely configured to the final, eschatological state that will be all of ours."

Give me a break! Let's take verse 30 - "30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

As the scripture says, when you compare  a human (physical state) to an Angel (spiritual state) - the rules are obviously different - THERE ARE NO GENDERS IN HEAVEN - THERE ARE, AS WE ALL KNOW, ON EARTH.

And the last paragraph in that link:

"This impediment remains as long as the priest has not been dispensed from it, even if he were to attempt a civil marriage, even if he left the Church and joined a non-Catholic sect, and even if he apostatized from the Christian faith altogether. He cannot be validly married after ordination unless he receives a dispensation from the Holy See"

Please explain? Why would a priest, who resigned and is no longer a priest, or even a Catholic - have to get the Pope's permission to marry???

[bright.ton42]

Those 3 (4) issues are not negotiable in the church so it will make no difference what his private thoughts are.

His thoughts are not private but public and all  issues are negotiable for re-evaluation  in any system.  . If you wish read about Vatican 11 and the  changes that were made then 

that in the past were not negotiable.

http://www.vatican2voice.org/  

[bright.ton42]

This stance will not move the Church forward which is so desperately

needed but keep it entrenched in the dark ages  and well and truly stuck. 

Dark ages....To understand the reasons behind priests not being able to marry for example, you need to go back to the basics.  The Bible has not changed.

Who are the people that want so desperately for their Church to move forward?

I didn't mention priests being forbidden to marry but you are right that may never change But the  people who want 

desperately for the Catholic church to move forward are its members, laity and 

secular alike because there is a huge shrinking in numbers  Three of my friends, nuns,  have had no new members in their respective orders for years, and this is happening across the board .  The same with priests.  Many of the rules by which catholics are required to live

in these days are no longer viable.  .  

[katydidthat]

Found it, thanks, Meep.  

[**meep**]

Read that ... that's the Catholic interpretation of The Bible - the reasons they give are their own interpretation - not the Bible's.

Well of course its the Catholic interpretation :^O

Please explain? Why would a priest, who resigned and is no longer a priest, or even a Catholic - have to get the Pope's permission to marry???

Because it is a Sacrament - Holy Orders

[**meep**]

No problem Katy.

Now I really have to go. Running late >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[katydidthat]

Where this Pope's power is, is to appoint new Cardinals who are more "liberal" in their ideas.  He won't be able to make changes for a while as most of the Cardinals are quite conservative in their views.  But, as they die off, and if he stays alive), he can change the numbers and then the policies ... 

Like appointing High Court judges 🙂